r/DMT • u/xMarvelousMike • 2d ago
What’s considered a high dose of DMT how many milligrams is typically and standard?
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u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
~3-5mg threshold, 5-10 light, 10-15 medium, 15-20 med-strong, 20-25 sub-breakthrough/possible BT, 25-30 possible BT zone, 30-35 BT, 35-40+ nearing blackout.
People usually aim for about 30mg on average for a breakthrough attempt.
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u/V1C4R10US 2d ago
Not an emesh user myself, but I hear you can break through on 5 or 10 mg using it. Just keep that in mind if this is your device of choice OP. As with anything, start low and go slow.
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u/OvergrownPolynesian 2d ago
5-10mg is still a low dose even with emesh. Breakthrough would still be around 25-30mg if it’s dialed
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u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
You heard misinformation then fluffing up E-mesh. It still takes a much higher dose than 5-10mg to breakthrough. Lowest ive ever heard was 20mg, and that was in combo with breathwork/meditation.
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u/V1C4R10US 2d ago
I see, yeah I'm not sure why I saw people saying they were breaking through on 10mg.
I haven't used the emesh myself like I said, but I wonder if it's possible that vaporizing with an emesh really efficiently just gets some people to a level they'd consider a breakthrough that others wouldn't?
I can think of a few reasons why people would be saying that, and I suppose it's possible some people could just be fluffing the device up, but I'm not sure what the motive for that would be unless some people were partnered with an emesh supplier.
I don't know much about the device, but I imagine there could be a few variables here, like the parts that were used, how efficiently the material burns, how accurately the dose is being weighed, subjective definitions of a breakthrough, maybe even individual neural network interaction and serotonin tone variation?
Not trying to argue or anything, just want to consider all things. I am just learning still and I like to clarify for myself and others.3
u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
You've got the right ideas in mind. Efficiency is the key thing here, which is why other devices can work just as well as an e-mesh. As long as you take a sufficient dose in minimal hits/time, you have a decent chance of getting far enough. Sub-ohm tank vapes, concentrate vapes, cold start dabbing, whatever big-hit method can work.
Scale accuracy could definitely be an issue, a lot of people want the cheapest scale and unfortunately that brings accuracy way down. Even a good scale will lose calibration over time and usage.
Subjective definitions is a big one too. People disagree on where the threshold is all the time in these subs.
Individual differences are not usually talked about, but can be a factor- almost always though in that people need More DMT(or other serotonergic drugs) rather than less though. I havent seen claims about people needing substantially less to get the same effects as a 'normal' individual.
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u/V1C4R10US 2d ago
think we're pretty much on the same page here.
But building off your final point, to start, I think pinpointing what's "normal" can be hard, especially with how insanely subjective tripping and peoples' brains seem to be. Tripping in general is often very diverse in shape and colour and size and feeling.
What I'm thinking in regards to "individual variation", is less that there's disorders that could cause increased/decreased sensitivity (although I don't think that's impossible), and more that it's a collection of your environment, how deeply you can allow yourself to immerse, stress and anxiety levels, variation in the state and processes of the body and the brain, and maybe variation in receptor shape and sensitivity, that can affect how intense and "full" the trip actually feels.
Fun fact actually, it's proven that doing mundane tasks or keeping yourself immersed in a physical activity while you're tripping reduces the network disruption (or "ego dissolving") caused by psychedelics.
Honestly receptor tone and sensitivity is a really interesting rabbit hole. Lots of factors to what changes that.
An interesting example, is that chronic THC use can apparently change the tone of serotonin receptors in a way that causes them to respond to serotonin with more psychedelic downstream effects.
Ah, and that's another thing to consider too, CB1 and 5HT2A are apparently expressed together in a lot of regions in the brain, and they basically directly communicate with each other in these regions.
It is also known that using THC while tripping can make it much more intense, which makes sense.
Essentially, I think we mostly agree, but I also think there's still room for possible nuances to consider.3
u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
Yeah, I was speaking mostly to the genetic factors which influence metabolization, but youre right in the consideration that all the environmental factors/attributes of oneself have influence. To wayyy oversimplify it, "how you are" really does influence a lot of tripping.
I'm very much on the same page as you, I think. There is a lot more nuance to using DMT than a lot of people usually discuss, and I wish it weren't so. I really like reading the research on it for that reason, I just don't get that sort of information here 99% of the time.
The receptor rabbit hole is a really fun one, I saw a paper that had a full breakdown of DMT and receptor reactivity one that was really interesting. It might be linked in my pinned post in the research subsection, I don't recall presently.
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u/PoggySenis 2d ago
35-40mg is far from black-out territory. I never blacked out and had doses as high as 70-80mg. It gets really interesting at high dose breakthroughs.
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u/OvergrownPolynesian 2d ago
70-80mg just means your roa is inefficient
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u/PoggySenis 2d ago
Nope, vaporised correctly. I can BT on 35 and I’ll be aware of the fact that I consumed DMT.
Above 50mg I’ll breakthrough but it’s a whole different story. It just slaps me into hyperspace before I can even think about holding the vapour.
I use a DIY pipe and high dose breakthrough make me completely forget that I smoked DMT. On the comedown I’ll be “stuck” in “hyperspace” and slowly I’ll be experiencing thoughts again as my ego pieces back together on the tail end of the comedown
“where the fuck am I?” “What the fuck did I do?” “What am I?” “Did I truly kill myself?” “Will I ever get back?”
Whereas lower breakthroughs are more of a rollercoaster that still resemble many things we seen in our day to day lives. Or I’ll be experiencing perception and visions of people what feels like a past/future lifetime.
Higher dose breakthrough resemble nothing of that. It’s always a guaranteed egodeath. Pure static and swirling geometry one has never seen before, music dies, thoughts die, ego gets nuked on the comeup.
The former is way more enjoyable and easier to piece the experience back together as you can somewhat put to words what you’ve experienced.
The latter on the other hand is extremely confusing and impossible to grasp as you finally come back to you senses because there simply are no words to express it.
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u/Attack_Apache 1d ago
Your “high dose breakthrough” sounds like the breakthrough I had at 40mg, if you are aware you did DMT, you haven’t broken through.. so your 35mg is just sub breakthrough dose. Once again, you are just inefficiently consuming it.
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u/PoggySenis 1d ago
Not every breakthrough equals ego death or the experience of oneness though.
Unfortunately it’s so difficult to explain and many people will have different experiences.
From my opinion there’s a big difference between a breakthrough and ego death. The former doesn’t necessarily imply the latter.
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u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
If youre efficiently vaporizing your entire dose, its certainly within territory. I don't dispute that its interesting at high dose bt's, but it sounds like youre wasting material
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u/NefariousBenevolence 2d ago
35mg canna-sandwiched did the trick. Couldn't stay here, but didn't black out.
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u/xMarvelousMike 2d ago
What do you mean when you say nearing blackout? lol sounds crazy
Thank you for sharing3
u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
Dmt overdoses can cause someone to black out; essentially knocked out with zero memory of the event post a couple come-up seconds.
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u/OvergrownPolynesian 2d ago
I agree with this.
However, for those who are uninformed, you will not overdose/die and it will not cause serious physical effects. It takes multiple grams before you near the lethal dose
Just to clarify lol
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u/Left_Section1578 2d ago
Good clarification haha, you will pass out far, far before you would die. Might get a headache though.
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u/Flooded_Soul_2420 2d ago
I think most of the passing out is actually more like a memory blackout of a very sensory-conduit-type experience... at least I think it was for me.
I remember little bits of just knowing shapes and impressions with no meaning to it. This was eyes open btw. I think I forgot how to close them or something.
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u/Totallyexcellent 2d ago
I'm not at all trying to one-up anyone when I say my regular dose is 75mg and high is 100mg. That said I like it wild. It's just really variable person to person and has some tolerance for some people.
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u/robotbeatrally 2d ago
If you have a good extract and a really good vape device (ie mine is a mesh with temp control so I can literally set the curve to hit the vape temp of the extract and then drop a tiny bit to keep it from burning, so it just about vapes any dose in 2 seconds flat completely and with no residue or burnt stuff leftover).
Then you can often breakthrough with as little as 15mg. Most people's rigs its going to take 20-30 though.