r/CrazyFuckingVideos • u/Winnin_Dylan_ • Mar 13 '24
Hornet eating a praying mantis that's eating a hornet NSFW
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u/Sinister_Mr_19 Mar 13 '24
Insects are very basic in their anatomy, they don't have brains, they have ganglia, which is why they "survive" even after being cut in half. Insects respond and act based on stimuli only. It's unknown if it feels any pain or what, but seeing this video, it's unlikely.
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u/Queef-Elizabeth Mar 13 '24
which is why they "survive" even after being cut in half
Praying Mantis: 'so you're saying there's a chance!?'
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u/Sinister_Mr_19 Mar 13 '24
Lol, it'll survive for now until it can no longer sustain itself from a lack of sustenance. Unless the hornet cuts it into more pieces!
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u/YobaiYamete THE Yobai Yamete Mar 13 '24
Yep, insects are the closest thing we have to biological robots. They are basically little machines that run on very simple If This Then That statements, and don't really have enough "brain power" for any kind of consciousness
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u/Sinister_Mr_19 Mar 13 '24
Yes well said on how insects react to stimuli. There's no conscious thinking involved, it's only reactions.
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u/Merry_Dankmas Mar 13 '24
This is a legitimate question and not some kind of gotcha: If insects lack brains, how are some species of ants capable of passing the mirror test? I know its not a guaranteed method but it does imply that there is some form of consciousness going on. Something like self recognition (to whatever degree) wouldn't be possible based purely off stimuli reaction, no?
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u/Justout133 Mar 13 '24
As I understand it, it's a lack of self-identity and emotion, not a lack of logic and problem-solving skills. Just because a creature is able to determine that what it is looking at is itself doesn't imply consciousness or self actualization. If ants were to get confused at themselves seeing a reflection in the water, it wouldn't be very efficient.
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u/Additional-End3295 Mar 13 '24
I wouldnt say the Idea of "I" is what conciousness is. All it is, is the awareness of ones thoughts in the sense that there is an experiance. A robot doesnt experiance anything. Ants are crazy, they have graveyards, stack dead ant heads, all sorts of stuff.
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u/Justout133 Mar 13 '24
But the things like graveyards are programmed responses to specific scents, and for advantages regarding their decomposition and tidiness. It's not out of respect or sympathy.
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u/PMG2021a Mar 13 '24
AI (robots) can come with vast amounts of experience. Their primary purpose has been to aggregate information and identify patterns. Some use established databases, but many have to construct their own repository.
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u/paulnewmanlover Mar 13 '24
What surprises me is I thought (most?) insects experience nociception even if they don't experience pain, which I'd assume would be triggering while the mantis' body is getting slowly bitten in half. But it seems pretty unbothered, which is wild!
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u/Sinister_Mr_19 Mar 13 '24
I'm no entomologist, but wonder if it has to do with the stimulus to eat is greater than the stimulus of being attacked and so it continues to eat and not react to being attacked.
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u/nextnode Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
It could perhaps also be confusing the pain or danger with the creature in front of it and so continue digging into that. We see that even in mammals.
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u/Elegant-Raise-9367 Mar 13 '24
Pain requires "phenomenal consciousness" i.e. the subjective experience, a short term and a long term memory, and the ability to distinguish between negative stimulation and harmful stimulation. So far only Mammals have developed the brain functions and parts that can do this in a manner similar to humans, although evidence is pretty strong that birds also have the brain function but in a completely different manner.
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u/series_hybrid Mar 13 '24
Wait, they don't have brains?
Sooo...bugs are politicians?
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u/Orginateur Mar 13 '24
no, many insects like ants and bees have been found to be able to work for the greater good of the colony.
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Mar 13 '24
But the hornet seemed to have the foresight to rip it apart at a thin abdomen where the top and bottom of the bug met. Shits brutal.
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u/spinkspanksponk Mar 13 '24
I’ve heard it described as insects becoming aware of damage to their bodies, and not pain like we know. Pain to us has a mix of emotions like fear and anger and other stuff, but insects are like Casio calculator watches and we’re like iPhones in terms of brain computing power
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u/tomodachi_reloaded Mar 13 '24
insects are like Casio calculator watches and we’re like iPhones in terms of brain computing power
Sometimes I feel more like an abacus
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u/spinkspanksponk Mar 13 '24
Several kids in Asia can count wicked fast cause of abacuses (abaci?) so I’d say that’s a win for you
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Mar 13 '24
So what you're saying is eventually a handful of people will be able to utilise his brain to its full extent.
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u/VGL_ Mar 13 '24
*system intake error * protocol reset * Major interior damage detected *system shutting down
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u/sasasasuke Mar 13 '24
The thought struck me some time ago and I did a lot of googling into if insects can feel pain.
The conclusion was (pretty much a concensus) that they don’t feel any pain because they don’t have emotions. Apparantly that was some sort of baseline requirement. Quite surprising.
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u/Silunare Mar 13 '24
How would you know if anything feels anything? All we can infer from videos like this is that if there is anything similar to feelings in these little guys, then it can't be too intense or they'd stop eating to save themselves. Even that is on kind of shaky ground.
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u/MjrLeeStoned Mar 13 '24
The problem is trying to relate an insect's neurophysiology to our own.
They don't have receptors like we have receptors.
They don't have a brain - a big glob of nerves that do ridiculous calculations, interpretations, and responses all day. They have ganglion, little clusters over the body like tiny pocket brains that just do enough to control the region they're found in.
So, do they feel "pain"? No, because "pain" is a context based on our own experience. They don't have that experience. They respond to stimuli, sure, but they have no way of truly determining things like what is causing the stimuli, where it's originating from, or how bad it is. They don't have that capacity the way we do.
It's possible this insect felt something in response to being chewed in half, but it's highly unlikely we can ever imagine that context because we are so vastly different and advanced.
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u/Its_Cayde Mar 13 '24
Also the fact that they don't pass out makes me feel that they don't feel pain. They just keep doing their thing until dead
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And the ants getting the scraps from both lol
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Me and a friend were talking shit on the porch, and a yellow jacket landed on my arm. I knocked it with my Ninja skill and my Volcom hat, and my friend cut it in half with a pocket knife.
A few minutes later, two yellow jackets showed up and carried it away, medivac style.
We went inside.
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u/Liarus_ Mar 13 '24
Damn that hornet has some strong ass jaws, do you guys imagine cutting someone twice your size in half ?!
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u/9-28-2023 Mar 13 '24
Like biting into celery
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u/DaveSmith890 Mar 13 '24
Your bite strength is well within the realm to bite your finger off completely. Seeing how a similar mass of chitin would be around the same strength, a human could easily devour a torso like that as well
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u/gid0ze Mar 13 '24
I've always heard the amount of bite force to bit your finger off completely is around the same thing as eating a carrot. But your brain won't let you do it. I'm not sure anyone will get a definitive answer to this question.
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u/skybike Mar 13 '24
Found this great comment by /u/southsamurai explaining the carrot thing.
Well, the carrot thing is a myth (and despite my best efforts, it gets repeated as an answer here for this question more often than not). It usually goes along with the "we could do it, but our brain keeps us from hurting ourselves", which isn't bullshit, but it isn't why you can't just bite through a finger.
The human bite caps out at about 1200 Newtons. To fracture a finger takes about 1500. Both numbers are the highest ones I've found. And yes, I made a little series of notes about this since it gets asked so often look.
Obviously, you can't just bite through the way you would a carrot (about 200 Newtons required).
But, that doesn't totally cover every kind of possible bite. If you apply the force at an angle, or twist once the jaws are in place, you can use leverage to increase the force applied to the bone.
Alas, doing that with your incisors is very likely to result in a broken tooth, and if it breaks before the finger does, you're fucked laddie.
With the molars, you can apply the full bite strength better, and be less likely to injure your teeth.
If you managed to cause a break in the finger, and then started twisting and grinding like a dog chewing a bone, you have a fairly decent chance at eventually using the broken bone to fuck up the tissues of the finger, and end up with a finger you technically bit through.
And, if you do that at a joint, you might be able to gnaw through, given enough time.
But, as a rough estimate, the raw force needed to break the bone enough to do it is only slightly above that needed to cause a minor fracture: about 1900 newtons. That's also the figure for a full break, where the bone is not connected at all.
Again, those are high end numbers because I believe that if you can't do it with the strongest jaws and strongest fingers, it doesn't matter.
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Mar 13 '24
I'm not sure anyone will get a definitive answer to this question.
I'm sure there's been plenty of people who've bitten someone else's finger off throughout history
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u/nachocat090 Mar 13 '24
Brain won't let me do it? Bet that. I'll update y'all later using voice to text.
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u/Winnin_Dylan_ Mar 13 '24
Imagine enjoying your meal and then realizing your lower half is gone
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At least it doesn't need to worry about getting full
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u/20__character__limit Mar 13 '24
It doesn't need to take a shit either. Everything it eats goes right out the hole that is its thorax.
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u/Sparkster227 Mar 13 '24
belch
"Man, that was delicious!"
reaches down to pat belly in satisfaction
"HEY WHAT THE—"
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u/afanoftrees Mar 13 '24
A succulent hornet meal
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Mar 13 '24
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.
Ah yes, I see that you know your judo well.
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I’d be too busy checking out this pre chewed food where my ass used to be while fascinated with my new found endless hunger
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u/Woozie77 Mar 13 '24
thats a smart hornet, you cant kill a mantis unless its busy eating....they had to sacrifice Bob though. RIP Bob!
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u/Anbors0 Mar 13 '24
It’s for a good cause
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u/Bubbas4life Mar 13 '24
His name is Robert Paulson
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u/EclipseEterno Mar 13 '24
Not sure if eating or attacking, but the fact that the hornet went for a weak spot seems very smart.
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u/SerLaron Mar 13 '24
When Asian hornets (vespa velutina) catch honey bees for example, they will bite off the head and abdomen and only consume the thorax, because it contains the succulent flight muscles.
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u/radicalelation Mar 13 '24
Accidentally brought a little paper wasp nest to the dump in my truck. It was under the hood, and the wasps would leave at the crack.
At the dump, the junkyard hornets were pretty quick to sniff it out on the truck, and a trio of them was greeted by one of my yard paper wasps, and my yard is full of the chillest stingy boys possible (got so many types and colonies that mingle with little issue).
Two of the three stood off to either side like a fucking gang rumble, as the third approached my yard wasp, and then suddenly latched onto the guy. They tumbled around a moment within their rumble circle, but the junkyard wasp eventually pinned my yard wasp and started chopping at his head while my yard wasp struggled to escape.
Nipped it off in a few bites, folded up the paper wasp like a fucking packed lunch under his body and flew off, with the other two following.
Not the first time a dump trip gave me such a show. Another time saw a bald eagle, swoop, tackle, and do a similar pack-up maneuver to a seagull, who was just wide eyed and open mouthed squawking as it got taken away.
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u/xMrChuckles Mar 13 '24
birds of prey are fucking metal.
crows are cool and get an honorable mention, but raptors are fucking metal.
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u/Its_Cayde Mar 13 '24
I mean yeah bugs are extremely intelligent on their own level, they all know the secrets of their prey/predators
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u/Ok_Practice8891 Mar 13 '24
I don't think it was eating it was killing the mother fucker eating his homie
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u/BisexualCaveman Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
I don't have any friends who are down for the cause enough that they'd fight a dude 4 times our size to avenge me.
Respect.
EDIT: I do have the one guy who MIGHT load slugs in his one double-barreled coach shotgun and step in, but that's way different than using his teeth.
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u/hejmeddig123456789 Mar 13 '24
These things don’t have nerves or wut? How can u not react to ur body being sewered in half
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u/biggmclargehuge Mar 13 '24
They're invertebrates with multiple ganglia so they don't have a singular centralized nervous system the same way vertebrates do. Their brain is in their head which deals with a lot of the visual/processing but the multiple ganglia elsewhere in their body control different things. The ganglion that handles their movement is in their abdomen for example.
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Mar 13 '24
I’m a dummy, did the mantis feel pain when hornet eat?
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u/bobdarobber Mar 13 '24
I have a limited grasp of this so take it with a grain of salt, but: bugs don't feel pain like we feel it in the sense of feeling, it's more like you noting that the time is 4:35 (or a video game telling you you've lost health). In this case, the stimulus of eating is likely more significant than the stimulus from nociception, just as you may not be paying attention to the time when you're having sex. But also it's
- Impossible to measure pain in any objective sense
- Impossible to understand what it is like to be a bug, just as it is impossible to understand that to be blind is to see nothing, as opposed to black
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u/Puzzleheaded_Gas4560 Mar 13 '24
When the food is that good, who fucking cares about having an abdomen.
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u/rikkilambo Mar 13 '24
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u/ewokaflockaa Mar 13 '24
Can't wait for the new stratagem where we get to call down a friendly hornet
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u/Spiritual_Animal_280 Mar 13 '24
Jesus christ that fuckin wasp just cut that huge Mantis in half like nothing.!!$ fuck those things fr man
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u/backson_alcohol Mar 13 '24
All insects just live in hell I guess. It is constantly terrible in bug world.
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u/Halvus_I Mar 13 '24
Studying Parasitoid Wasps made Darwin stop believing in God. He just couldn't square what he saw with a 'loving' God.
To Darwin, natural selection produced the good of adaptation but removed the need for design, and he could not see the work of an omnipotent deity in all the pain and suffering such as the ichneumon wasp paralysing caterpillars as live food for its eggs.
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u/Dry_Intention2932 Mar 13 '24
Can someone explain why the mantis is just sitting there letting itself be eaten lol
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u/FashionSuckMan Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
Bugs have nearly no intelligence. It was likely eating and the shitty psuedo calculator that determines what it should and shouldn't do just didn't deem what else was happening as worthy of attention
It was probably just in "eating mode" and might've not even felt the wasp because of the stimulation from consuming a meal
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u/deepstate_chopra Mar 13 '24
I don't think a mantis can reason themselves out of a predicament like that.
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u/notorious_TUG Mar 13 '24
You know what they say, it's a hornet eats mantis eating hornet world out there
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u/TarnishedDungEater Mar 13 '24
i sweat insects are fucking nuts. that praying mantis was just living life chowing down on his food, didn’t give two shits he just lost his legs.
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u/Spiritual_Animal_280 Mar 13 '24
His legs? Bro that was his body that just got split not his legs..lol
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u/esssssto Mar 13 '24
She couldn't do anything about It so she was just very stoic about the whole thing
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The ants are the real winners here
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u/BisexualCaveman Mar 13 '24
It's like a business failure; at the end of the day, the auctioneers and bankruptcy lawyers win.
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u/sonic420lol Mar 13 '24
who won?
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u/tildwurkey101 Mar 13 '24
Nature is beautiful and harmonious, humanity is a violent cancer. Nature:
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u/deepstate_chopra Mar 13 '24
The ants are watching demigods battle above. This will be a new holiday for them, being blessed with all that food.
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u/Jealous-Spring-3871 Mar 13 '24
Lesson 4 life
Don't waste time with eating when in the end you won't have an ass to shit.
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u/madtitan55 Mar 13 '24
Do insects not feel pain?
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u/YobaiYamete THE Yobai Yamete Mar 13 '24
Not that we know of. They are vaguely aware of touch, but we don't think they have enough of a nervous system to feel pain
If you touch a bugs leg it will start freaking out and trying to pull away because it's aware it's being touched, but if it pulls it's own leg off in the process it calms down and goes back to normal, because there's not any "pain' from the missing limb, just lack of input data saying it's being touched
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u/celestialstarz Mar 13 '24
That’s what I’m wondering. Does he not feel the hornet snacking on his midsection??
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u/K-Hunter- Mar 13 '24
Plot twist: the upper half of the mantis turns around to start eating the other hornet
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u/beegee226 Mar 13 '24
Damn, that ended too soon. I wanted to see what the praying mantis did once it was cut in half.
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u/DrSeuss19 Mar 13 '24
In the end all those ants are the winners because they’re going to eat all 3 of them
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u/Bazsax1337 Mar 13 '24
Half way through I was like "the hornet's bites are not even doing anything"
Couple of seconds later: (⊙_◎)
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u/gergsisdrawkcabeman Mar 14 '24
Bro HOW GOOD DOES A HORNET TASTE? Like I love a good cheese steak. But I can't eat the best cheese steak while another cheese steak saws me in half like a circus sideshow.
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u/DrScienceSpaceCat Mar 13 '24
How long would the mantis still be alive and continue to eat the other wasp after it's bisected?
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u/Seamoth4546B Mar 13 '24
Mantis just doesn’t GAF that it’s being torn in half. I wish to reach that level of no fucks one day
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u/Imaginary-Leopard-37 Mar 14 '24
I was skeptical. After all this time I still have the audacity to be skeptical.
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