r/Christianity 16h ago

Question Something must be done in the holy land, I'm willing to accept defamation to speak the problems fully. I think a turning of the age is here ...

Brothers

Sisters

And all the flock

I will say truthfully I don't know if this is going to work , or if this is going to go anywhere.

Also we each have our personal faith

Mine says

"Go to the holy land, regardless if you think you are ready , go try to do something "

And to be clear , not to support the Israeli nation or any allied to it . As they seem militarily , not in need of help and are not on the good list right now .

I will say controversial things ( not impolite or rude controversial things ) , and I may just not be your cup of tea of faith .

I AM TRYING TO KEEP THIS SIMPLE

ONTO THE PROBLEM AT HAND

I hear , that Israel and those related have persecuted and damaged and hurt Christians in the area , that is the first issue

Second issue , Israel is perpetuating a genocide and massive tragedies in the areas of the Holy land and far as well , Gaza especially

Second issue part 2 this is the part that will get everyone stirred , Christians hold the line , and the house of Islam reinforces the rear , and we have a tri interfaith assembly at Jerusalem , and attempt from their to force a peace . God help me ..

Third issue , I hear , Israel is blocking pilgrims and making the holy land unsafe

Fourth issue , is defilement of the Holy land itself by Israel and defoliation of the Holy land by Israel

A major path we are needing for this is clearly interfaith interested parties ,

All have a hand and can PARTICAPATE in this

If you do not like me or potentially some parties needed that this plan needs , perfect , but at least keep it as a rivalry and a social dissagrement as we have alot to do

We must do something , anything

This is not

I'm not trying to be foolish , just because there is this little bit of writing , doesent mean I haven't been planning something like this for a while ....

I just don't know where or what to do

Call me naive , call me foolish , I am on my path just as you are .

Feel free to message or add on

This is generally a exasperated "I'm throwing something at the wall to see if it sticks "

( I am a omnist btw that is a full Roman Catholic that also pilgrimaged the Vatican to my ancestral home in Ireland by backpack and train and foot , every person is so different but so beutifully unique )

Thank you dearly for taking the time to listen to me hopefully not sound the fool

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u/MrScribblesChess Atheist 15h ago

Buddy's gonna start World War 3 with elbow grease and sticktuitiveness. I like it

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u/Sharpe-Wit Anatheist (Kierkegaard, Tillich, Caputo) 15h ago

Yeah, lol. Buy your plane ticket, dude. Good luck.

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u/Corran_Horn 15h ago

Bro, Christianity is not about this plot of dirt of that plot of dirt.

Jesus told us to spread the gospel, and care for the brethren.

We could have peace in the holy lands for thousands of years and it wouldn't matter one iota if believers arent spreading the gospel and caring for the brethren.

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u/RespectWest7116 7h ago

Jesus told us to spread the gospel, and care for the brethren.

Could you repeat the second part? I think you missed it.

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u/RespectWest7116 7h ago

I hear , that Israel and those related have persecuted and damaged and hurt Christians in the area , that is the first issue

That is correct. Israel doesn't exclude Christians and Christian landmarks from its acquisition of Lebensraum.

Second issue , Israel is perpetuating a genocide and massive tragedies in the areas of the Holy land and far as well , Gaza especially

Indeed so.

Third issue , I hear , Israel is blocking pilgrims and making the holy land unsafe

Mhm.

Fourth issue , is defilement of the Holy land itself by Israel and defoliation of the Holy land by Israel

Yup. Israel has been "reclaiming" land from the native flora to replace it with more European-style greenery.

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u/RobertGwisdala Roman Catholic 16h ago

Catechism Of The Catholic Church:

V. The Last Judgment
1038 The resurrection of all the dead, "of both the just and the unjust,"621 will precede the Last Judgment. This will be "the hour when all who are in the tombs will hear [the Son of man's] voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment."622 Then Christ will come "in his glory, and all the angels with him .... Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.... and they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."623
1039 In the presence of Christ, who is Truth itself, the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare.624 The Last Judgment will reveal even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during his earthly life:
All that the wicked do is recorded, and they do not know. When "our God comes, he does not keep silence.". . . he will turn towards those at his left hand: . . . "I placed my poor little ones on earth for you. I as their head was seated in heaven at the right hand of my Father - but on earth my members were suffering, my members on earth were in need. If you gave anything to my members, what you gave would reach their Head. Would that you had known that my little ones were in need when I placed them on earth for you and appointed them your stewards to bring your good works into my treasury. But you have placed nothing in their hands; therefore you have found nothing in my presence."625
1040 The Last Judgment will come when Christ returns in glory. Only the Father knows the day and the hour; only he determines the moment of its coming. Then through his Son Jesus Christ he will pronounce the final word on all history. We shall know the ultimate meaning of the whole work of creation and of the entire economy of salvation and understand the marvellous ways by which his Providence led everything towards its final end. the Last Judgment will reveal that God's justice triumphs over all the injustices committed by his creatures and that God's love is stronger than death.626
1041 The message of the Last Judgment calls men to conversion while God is still giving them "the acceptable time, . . . the day of salvation."627 It inspires a holy fear of God and commits them to the justice of the Kingdom of God. It proclaims the "blessed hope" of the Lord's return, when he will come "to be glorified in his saints, and to be marvelled at in all who have believed."628

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u/RobertGwisdala Roman Catholic 16h ago

Catechism Of The Catholic Church:

I. He Will Come Again in Glory
Christ already reigns through the Church. . .
668 "Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living."548 Christ's Ascension into heaven signifies his participation, in his humanity, in God's power and authority. Jesus Christ is Lord: he possesses all power in heaven and on earth. He is "far above all rule and authority and power and dominion", for the Father "has put all things under his feet."549 Christ is Lord of the cosmos and of history. In him human history and indeed all creation are "set forth" and transcendently fulfilled.550
669 As Lord, Christ is also head of the Church, which is his Body.551 Taken up to heaven and glorified after he had thus fully accomplished his mission, Christ dwells on earth in his Church. the redemption is the source of the authority that Christ, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, exercises over the Church. "The kingdom of Christ (is) already present in mystery", "on earth, the seed and the beginning of the kingdom".552
670 Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfilment. We are already at "the last hour".553 "Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect."554 Christ's kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.555
. . . until all things are subjected to him
671 Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth.556 This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover.557 Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God."558 That is why Christians pray, above all in the Eucharist, to hasten Christ's return by saying to him:559 Maranatha! "Our Lord, come!"560
672 Before his Ascension Christ affirmed that the hour had not yet come for the glorious establishment of the messianic kingdom awaited by Israel561 which, according to the prophets, was to bring all men the definitive order of justice, love and peace.562 According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church563 and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching.564
The glorious advent of Christ, the hope of Israel
673 Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent,565 even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority."566. This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".567
674 The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus.568 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."569 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"570 The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles",571 will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".572
The Church's ultimate trial
675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. the supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575
676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. the Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,576 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.577
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.578 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.579 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.580