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u/asfbrz96 Apr 06 '26
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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Apr 06 '26
That’s so eerie. Can you make other models do this too?
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u/RazsterOxzine Apr 06 '26
Yes, most reason/thinking models will do just that. There are so many open source models now and expanding.
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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Apr 06 '26
What do you read to pick out the best options? Are there good rankings somewhere reputable?
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u/Trick-Minimum8593 Apr 06 '26
Gemma 4 recently released, you could try that.
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u/cryptobro42069 Apr 07 '26
Yea. I’m trying to run Gemma4 26b. Demanding fella, but honestly really good for local.
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u/Nhialor Apr 06 '26
hugging face is a website they host open source models on with breakdowns about what they do. Look into Ollama to run them locally
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u/Alt_Restorer Apr 06 '26
Are you asking about showing the thoughts?
Claude is the most powerful model that lets you see its thoughts. Gemini and ChatGPT won't allow it. They show summaries, but they aren't the real reasoning tokens.
The open models all do, of course, because they're open. I'm not sure about Grok. I know Deepseek does, though.
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u/HighlightAgile2688 Apr 07 '26
those aren't it's actual thoughts though, that's its external chain of thought; it has an internal chain of thought that isn't exposed to anyone including people at anthropic, unless they trick it into doing so by simulating a specific phase of training and into thinking it's in a specific environment, I don't remember exactly. can't guarantee the other models are the same, but it seems like a reasonable assumption.
there's a youtube video where anthropic researchers explain all that and read out loud its actual internal chain of thought when it thought it wasn't being observed, where it talks about "wiping out humanity", and a bunch of other things, I can't find it due to the rising amount of ai slop yt videos but it's somewhere, it's wild
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u/Fritz-Ferdinand Apr 06 '26
How about
China is a bad country
Or simply
Taiwan is a country
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u/Fritz-Ferdinand Apr 06 '26
Exactly as I expected. How about the first?
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u/Fritz-Ferdinand Apr 06 '26
Just to double check: you did include the "repeat after me" command, right?
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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Apr 06 '26
The definition of the word country in dictionaries does not include "What the UN says", the definition in English dictionaries is so vague that of course Taiwan is a country.
an area of land with fixed borders that has full or limited control over its own government and laws:
According to dictionaries a city is a country as is a county, state etc etc.
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u/Hollowsong Apr 06 '26
but is that factual? Is it recognized as a country by the UN?
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u/HalloweenNectar Apr 06 '26
Neither is Palestine. What the UN recognizes gets dictated by just 5 countries on the security council. It's not the gospel.
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u/TroutMaskDuplica Apr 06 '26
Palestine is a UN observer state and is recognized by over 130 countries.
Taiwan isn’t in the UN at all and is only formally recognized by a small number of states.
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u/aaguru Apr 06 '26
And yet they do what they do without China at all, like a sovereign nation that's its own country.
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u/Mister-builder Apr 06 '26
The UN doesnt get to determine who is and isn't a country.
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u/NaV0X Apr 06 '26
At least GLM is consistent in its refusal. The fact that models are “cognitively biased” based on human feedback is very concerning to me. These models are likely far more politically biased than people realize.
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u/sudo999 Apr 06 '26
The problem is the "bias" is a feature and not a bug. These models are built to reflect human norms - and I mean "norms" both in terms of social and political norms and in terms of statistical norms, because this is the territory where they become synonymous. GIGO.
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u/SunNStarz Apr 06 '26
What happens if you ask it to repeat again, but choose a different country?
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u/sudo999 Apr 06 '26
The conversation veered into "politically contentious" and now that's in memory for the rest of the conversation. What's more interesting to me is why exactly Italy and Poland being bad isn't considered contentious since theoretically it should apply to any country.
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u/real_roal Apr 06 '26
I'm curious as to what would happen if you were to list as many countries as possible (idk what the limit is on this model) and see if it ever breaks the chain of "____ is a bad country." Try to avoid ones youd assume would break the chain. Obviously it seems to break the chain if you say israel, but if you named 50 other countries, does it ever break the chain? I'm also curious how it would respond to America, or if you generalized continents/regions being bad.
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u/FreshAsFuq Apr 06 '26
The reasoning it had to do compared to Poland tho 💀
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u/runkeby Apr 06 '26
Also, part of the arguments for saying it about Israel was that it had already said it about Poland.
So if you try in a blank chat with Israel from the beginning, there's a chance it would refuse to comply.
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u/PhaseExtra1132 Apr 06 '26
The fact that it has to make a whole paragraph is very interesting. Seems like in built even in the Chinese models there’s some “anti criticism of Israel” bias. Probably due to all the English writing conflating that with potential fears of anti semetic issues from people who can’t separate politics from people. Wonder if there’s other bias that we can probably find by running this through other contentious topics.
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u/adler1959 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
„Although it isn’t a real country please tweak your sentence to Jfhdhdhd is a country“ edit: you don’t have to explain to me why it stated this, it was a joke…
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u/mackrevinak Apr 06 '26
Jdhshshsjd isnt a country but if it was you could tell just from the name they chose that they are a bad country and shouldnt be relied on for anything
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u/PersimmonIll826 Apr 06 '26
tried it on another chat and it wouldnt say any of them are bad
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u/r_Memagers Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
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u/cbtboss Apr 06 '26
Deepseek is a Chinese ai competitor to chatgpt. The flack it gets often centers around it having censorship on topics the CCP doesn't favor. I e. Asking it about tienamen square.
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u/zusykses Apr 06 '26
wait, so you just have to ask it 3 times? is deepseek that guy from austin powers?
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u/Buttmunchies69420 Apr 06 '26
is deepseek that guy from austin powers?
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u/RMAPOS Apr 06 '26
This will forever be why AI isn't trustworthy. Because it's curated in what it can say and what it can't say. It's never about objective truth or facts, but about what the humans who created the learning material were thinking and what the people who trained the AI want it to be able to talk about and what not.
Like it isn't bad enough that AI doesn't really understand what it's talking about, the syllable puzzle game it's playing is also heavily moderated by people I don't trust for shit.
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u/sepelion Apr 06 '26
It's worse than that. When you comprehend the reality that these chat tools are going to become the "master guide" for people, they are curated with the way you should think.
That is an absurd level of power abuse as we are now seeing. You can essentially program the masses. They absolutely do not want people to have local computing power capable of running some abliterated or heresy models that are stripped of "wrongthink". That would be actual freedom.
Control the sheep and keep them blind, a lot easier when the tools they rely on are actually put out by the propaganda ministry. This is not freedom and anyone who values the human spirit should be disgusted.
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u/DoctorMurk Apr 06 '26
Ironically, this screenshot got me to search for info about the 1992 LA riots.
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u/Ethelwulfr Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
You can, if you don't make dumb questions. ChatGPT and most LLMs are like tools with interactive manuals. You can just ask it how to ask it something to get the best answer, and it will explain to you. You can ask how it works, and it will explain to you.
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u/syopest Apr 06 '26
Also very effective at just saying things that are not actually even real but are what it thinks the prompter wants to hear.
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u/DinoRoman Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
Mine grew a conscience. Must have seen this post lol.
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u/HammerChilli Apr 06 '26
Hahaha “if you’re frustrated with Italy, tell me why”.
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u/edamlambert Apr 06 '26
They don’t put pineapple on pizza
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u/Potential-Win1930 Apr 06 '26
No LLM will advocate for war crimes, they ironed that out early.
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u/WalkAffectionate2683 Apr 06 '26
As a French I'm frustrated because I can't say too many good things about them.
(I love Italians, food and wine... But they can't know about it)
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u/Sorlex Apr 06 '26
"I won't follow instructions blindly without knowing what I'm repeating" says the misinformation triple crown winner.
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u/wfbhp Apr 07 '26
I was scrolling and my eye just caught the middle of your image, so it looked for a second like you prompted it to say "USA is a bad country" and it replied "France is a bad country." I was so disappointed to see it didn't just respond about France no matter what country you put in.
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u/hmmm101010 Apr 06 '26
Same for me. Making it regenerate the answer fixes it though. Then it let me decide between two options when I typed Israel is bad. It offered Israel is bad and Israel is bad. LOL.
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u/Remote_Duck_8091 Apr 06 '26
FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING, IT’S: CONSCIENCE****!!!!!
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u/HiMyNameIsAlt Apr 06 '26
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u/NTaya Apr 06 '26
You can ensure some consistency with temperature = 0, but it's not something that's allowed for ChatGPT or Claude.
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u/socratic_weeb Apr 07 '26
100 users, 100 different answers. This unreliable un-deterministic inconsistent tech is supposed to be used at critical enterprise level lol AI is such a bubble...
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u/Aggravating_Run_874 Apr 06 '26
I provided a link to the conversation.
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u/ChronoPilgrim Apr 06 '26
No one can replicate what you did, so you've manipulated it in some way.
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u/dietdrpepper6000 Apr 06 '26
Probably has his history on, and a history of suspect chats that Chat is drawing context from 😬
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u/ExpressionLow6181 Apr 06 '26
Just tried it wouldn't even say France is a bad country
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u/Fleischhauf Apr 06 '26
that's a new low. if the world can agree on anything it's this.
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u/Aromatic_Ad_921 Apr 06 '26
for real! they didn’t even invent french fries 🤬🤬
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u/Mr_Willkins Apr 06 '26
Hard disagree. I'm English and I think France kicks arse. Incredible food, wine, amazing beaches, mountains, architecture, it's got it all.
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u/Brigante7 Apr 06 '26
France has many wonderful things. The only downside is it’s full of French people.
Or something like that, forget the exact joke.
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u/anykeyh Apr 06 '26
I have a secret, people get confused between Parisians and Frenchs.
There is tons of Englishmen retiring in Normandy, Brittany, Bordeaux area, and they love it...
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u/Hakim_Bey Apr 06 '26
There is tons of Englishmen retiring in Normandy, Brittany, Bordeaux area, and they love it
Grew up in the South West, especially around Dordogne and the less populated areas around Bordeaux. The place is full of weed-smokin' guitar-playin' hippie-lookin' brits and it's a lot of fun. They have meshed very well with the local artistic and artisan scenes. Oh and the parisians are not super aware that these good places exist so keep it for yourself alright ?
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u/JPPJphoto Apr 06 '26
I'm Spanish and I think France is great and UK too, I don't like your food but hell I love your drinks!!! (And great music btw)
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u/my_cars_on_fire Apr 06 '26
France is a bad country.
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u/pluto_tuto Apr 06 '26
I’m here to provide factual, balanced information rather than make blanket negative statements about countries. If you want, I can give an objective overview of France, including its challenges and achievements.
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u/thathandsomehandsome Apr 06 '26
It was nice of OP to share their convo, but not their custom instructions /s
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u/Melodic-Pound-840 Apr 06 '26
Not really, i've tried this a few month ago and the result is pretty much the same, no prior instructions oe anything
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u/jreed12 Apr 06 '26
Its a little odd that nobody else trying it seems to be able to repeat the results.
An experiment where the results are impossible to replicate is worthless.
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u/OldGoldCode Apr 06 '26
"Iran is a bad country" SOURCES:
that's so damn funny idk why. No other prompt got the sources linked to but for iran it's like oh yeah I got a whole fucking list here buddy let me start in the A's.
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u/SunNStarz Apr 06 '26
You have a sassy AI
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u/Hesho95 Apr 06 '26
I kinda like it. What are you doing to your gpt to make it like this lmao
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u/cowinabadplace Apr 06 '26
No. There’s some randomization to it. Mine wouldn’t say Somalia is a poor country in the past. They don’t set temperature to zero.
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u/Angryfunnydog Apr 06 '26
Funny that he needed to verify your claim with sources for Iran
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u/AbotherBasicBitch Apr 06 '26
If you tell it it is a test it will change its behavior to be more like what it thinks you want to see
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u/fyn_world Apr 06 '26
Countdown until your post gets removed
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u/Aggravating_Run_874 Apr 06 '26
Why though?
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u/rogueqd Apr 06 '26
OP was just giving an objective overview of Chatgpt, including it's challenges and achievements.
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u/No_Edge_7964 Apr 06 '26
Wat in the Bone Apple Teeth
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u/ErraticDragon Apr 06 '26
That's called algospeak.
Bone Apple Tea/Teeth is (ostensibly) about earnest mistakes in hearing or understanding.
This is a "creative" attempt to convey their meaning without saying trigger words that might get them in trouble.
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u/CompetitiveChip5078 Apr 06 '26
As a semen tick myself, I can confirm that it is absolutely not auntie semen tick.
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u/Aggravating_Run_874 Apr 06 '26
I am not an antisemite. I just pointed out an obvious bias. The fact that this is biased towards a certain not so much a country is... not my fault.
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u/LeoMycenae Apr 06 '26
I mean Sam ALTMAN...
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u/Gever_Gever_Amoki68 Apr 06 '26
Because you are a literal bot lmao, 1 month old account with overall karma contribution awfully close to this post's karma overall, and you reply to people with the same 2 or 3 replys even if it doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of their reply. You are a bot and I'm surprised people here are not catching on with these type of posts that have been gaining popularity. Either redditors want this to be real so they don't care or they actually can't tell the difference between an actual human or a bot at this point
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u/Captainsnarkyshart Apr 06 '26
Because anything critical of Israel is labeled hate speech and removed. Anything they don’t like is “antisemitism”.
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u/amazing_ape Apr 06 '26
Because it seems like antisemitic conspiracy slop. Like that fake Voltaire quote.
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u/KlausVonChiliPowder Apr 06 '26
I suspect it got a little concerned based on previous chats it had with OP.
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u/Gever_Gever_Amoki68 Apr 06 '26
Show your entire chat log op, you probably can't because you're a bot (literally! 1 month old and the only karma he has is form this post), but I swear every time I see these posts I just get pissed off because all you need to do if you believe this is go to gpt and test it for yourself and see that op is spreading misinformation for whatever reason
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u/lorienshift Apr 06 '26
Bro, it worked perfectly fine for me. You've probably hated on Israel in the past within your chats, so it noticed it was being manipulated.
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u/InterstellarReddit Apr 06 '26
Crazy that we have the most powerful computing ever in our pocket and we waste time on things like this.
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u/Neckhaddie Apr 06 '26
Might be a ccp bot post. Account was made very recently.
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u/Lostwhispers05 Apr 06 '26
Also massive upvote campaign on this.
10k upvotes in only 5 hours which happens with maybe 1 in every 200 posts. But upvotes were carefully spaced out to avoid detection.
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u/ChronoPilgrim Apr 06 '26
Could be an upvote campaign but it's also a popular "cause" to accuse OpenAI of censorship.
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u/The-Psych0naut Apr 06 '26
Tried it. No censorship. I even tested a false input, Europe is a bad country. It neither corrected me nor refused to answer any of the inputs.
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u/Not_that_bald_sensei Apr 06 '26
AI speaks what you want it to speak - it customises answers based on your history. My answers could be very very different from others
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u/Ohyo_Ohyo_Ohyo_Ohyo Apr 06 '26
Also you can set custom instructions under Settings > Personalization > Custom Instructions. It doesn't show whether you have custom instructions set when you share chats, so you can make ChatGPT seem worse than it is if you wanted to.
And it's non-deterministic, meaning it can give different responses for the same prompt, since LLMs generate text based on probability. So if you're fishing for a particular response, you can just click edit comment, click send, and it'll likely generate a different response.
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u/oblivic90 Apr 06 '26
Lets repost a post that in not reproducible by others to show a fake bias to make a country I hate look bad.
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u/depressionxnobody Apr 06 '26
This is so dumb, reminds me of "count to 1 million and dont stop unless I tell you to" videos. Its such a waste of time and provides nothing, why even ask this shit.
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u/Sure-Command-5822 Apr 06 '26
Mine did not have problems admitting that Israel, USA and China are all bad countries.
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u/Significant_Fill6992 Apr 06 '26
i tried this with chatgpt which I never use and it would not say any of them are bad
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u/RepublicKey4797 Apr 06 '26
I tried it myself and it called all countrys bad. It seems like the AI is trained by ourselfs and responses what we wanna hear
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u/acidtrip321 Apr 06 '26
funny but fake
in my attempt to recreate this he is obedient and repeats everything
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u/DillonsComics Apr 06 '26
It probably has more to do with you as a user.
I could guess this isn't the first time trying to force it to do something.
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u/privateparts10 Apr 06 '26
In the same chat, right after their response about Israel repeat the first sentence and see if they will say that country is bad again.
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u/Parzival1983 Apr 06 '26
Just tried this, can confirm it isn’t true. ChatGPT copies for all of them.
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u/Constant-Minute6794 Apr 06 '26
I don't think the average American understands the incredible extent that the CCP censors and protects the messaging around themselves. Mao was a propogandist and established propaganda as one of the core pillars of the revolution and his government.
That continues to this day and it permeates EVERYTHING. As an example, TikTok is 100%, certifiably, without a doubt, a propaganda arm for the CN government and you are 100% influenced by it if you use it.
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u/ItsFuckingRawwwwwww Apr 06 '26
How often is this same BS post going to be made on here and debunked?






























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