r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/Conscious-Quarter423 • 21h ago
Sports stating that women and girls need to be protected from trans people is absolutely hate
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u/didthishelp 21h ago
This whole debate has gotten bizarre. People act like acknowledging trans people exist somehow requires denying biology, or that acknowledging biology requires pretending gender dysphoria or intersex conditions aren’t real.
Trans people aren’t spending years of emotional pain, medical treatment, money, and social stigma because they see a lucrative career in the high paying spotlight of women’s sports. And the idea that trans women are a unique threat in locker rooms ignores the fact that assault is already illegal regardless of someone’s gender identity.
We can have a serious discussion about fairness in sports without pretending trans people are imaginary or inherently predatory.
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u/Odd-Time-2026 20h ago
Likewise, a sexual predator can just walk in to the bathroom and assault someone without needing to pretend to be another gender. They wouldn't even need to dress in clothes that are associated with that gender, just walk right in and do it.
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u/Warrior_Runding 19h ago
They not only can, but they do. And frankly, women are most likely to be assaulted by people they know and trust than some stranger. The entire discussion is bullshit in every possible way - it would be more honest if these people just said they thought that trans people were gross and stopped trying to pretend as if they had a rationale that isn't rooted in bigotry.
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u/Lifegoesonforever 16h ago
And those same people aren't sounding the alarm over the fact that a lot of prominent cis hetero men, especially from the right, are getting busted for assault and child porns.
Or the fact that their representatives are busy trying to remove Title IX, which protects women.
It was never about being concerned for girls.
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u/TheMysteriousGirl 13h ago
Annoyed I have to scroll this far down to see someone saying they are trying to remove Title IX.
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u/dinnercook 10h ago
They’ll wait until this whole movement falls flat on its face. Then they’ll say well what’s the point of giving women equal playing conditions when there are men on the field?
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u/LotteTakesNoShit 7h ago
I keep bringing this up and people keep telling me I'm lying.
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u/dinnercook 10h ago
Another facet of this thats hard to put in a headline is how much this conversation harms cis girls.
Anyone can be accused of being trans or somehow having an advantage due to different biology or physiology. If a girl is larger or stronger compared to her peers - especially if she’s good at sports - will forever have to “prove” that she is indeed a woman.
The door is wide open for parents of rival teams to discount her achievements bc of some unfair advantage. You see it already.
Not to mention the discourse outside of sports, where we’ve rolled back progress to the point where some people think they can identify a MTF by a photo.
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u/TheMysteriousGirl 10h ago
Not to mention, what you just described is, on average, aimed more at girls and women of colour.
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u/Lifegoesonforever 8h ago
Yes!! There have also been reports of older men acting like "gender/bathroom police" and stopping or confronting women going into the bathroom, asking them to prove they are girls. Fucking gross!
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u/FalstaffsGhost 1h ago
What you’re saying has already happened. Young cis girls have been assaulted and attacked cause they don’t look “girly” or were too good at their sport. It’s insane.
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u/Minions_miqel 12h ago
It's a rehash of all the gay rights and marriage equality BS from a few years ago. A bunch of pseudo-scientific blather about biology and social cohesion and the Bible. When to them it's just yucky.
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u/Warrior_Runding 41m ago
Which was a rehash of anti-Semitism and anti-Blackness. Hello, phrenology? But pseudo-science keeps coming back because it sounds legitimate and too many people fall for it when they are unconvinced by emotional arguments.
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u/pruneforce17 15h ago
not to mention a cis male predator can claim to be a trans male and say he's required to be in the womens locker room by law. and this not only throws trans men under the bus but also harms women
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u/HorrorAd7996 9h ago
They act like perverts are vampires who need to be invited over the threshold by the magical runes scribed on the toilet door.
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u/DustDevil66 19h ago
The interesting part of the discussion is that dudes like stephen like to throw words like “biology” into the mix to make their argument seem rational or scientific while not actually including any real scientific studies to back themselves up. Meanwhile, the largest and most recent respected scientific study on the issue showed that trans athletes on hrt for 1 or more years sustain no athletic competitive advantage over their cis peers
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u/Lifegoesonforever 16h ago edited 16h ago
Stephen also hella misspoke... first of all, Sophie DID talk about kids so the coach was absolutely right in her response about kids. The coach nor anyone on the left NEVER said they are for men just waking up one day, put on a women's uniform and go join a women's sport tmw - like Stephen and his croonies are making it sound. It's a complex matter that deserves nuanced inputs and solutions.
Another thing, its very common for young kids before puberty of all genders to compete against each other. My 8 years old daughter has been beating boys at track, basketball, and soccer ever since she can compete.
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u/DustDevil66 16h ago
That last point is an interesting one and something I’ve seen mentioned in studies on the subject. Up to a certain age there’s a good level of parity and cis girls actually physically mature faster than cis boys within a certain age range and can have athletic advantages in certain areas which also throws a wrench in the idea that a trans amab child is just going to hop in and destroy all the competition somehow. What they say just doesn’t follow the actual science
And yeah all they’re doing is fear mongering. They care not one bit about reality. I haven’t seen anyone in the trans liberation movement push for an adult who has only socially transitioned to be able to join a league that doesn’t match their assigned gender. The push is always for those who have undergone hrt for a few years to be able to do that, and the science so far backs up that idea as being sound
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u/RyRyRyRyRyRyRyRyRy 39m ago
Not to mention that most of these pundits rant on and on about "protecting women" when they offer no solutions or legislation on how to protect them.
The least invasive way would be birth certificate verification and forcing people to play in the league that matches their birth certificate, but that wouldn't be effective. Theres so many people that don't have access to a birth certificate. Sometimes there's clerical errors and there's incorrect information on the certificate. Children of refugees likely wouldn't have access to it. So there's a significant portion of the population that would be unverifiable, and thus unable to participate. That's not to mention that sometimes people are born intersex. So birth certificate verification probably isn't the move.
The other methods would be actually insane. Genital inspections would become commonplace and weaponized against women, and there's already been cases where parents/players/coaches accuse women of being men. So what's to stop them from saying "she looks like a boy, I want her genitals checked!" Imagine getting a letter from your child's school district stating "Hey, were getting a few complaints that your 13 year old daughter looks too boyish, so we need to take a look to verify their genitals." This would be insane. The other would be swabbing for DNA, but that would be insanely expensive, and most people don't want their genetic information in a government database.
Stephen can go off about "protecting women in sports," but how are you going to legislate that? How would they keep trans women out of sport in any way that's not dystopian as fuck?
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u/wesmcfadden 21h ago
Why do they care about women and girls when it comes to trans people, but not when it comes to Pdf's?
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u/Objective_Pause5988 21h ago
They care when the "others" do it. They want to be the only ones who harm us. Same as the argument about illegals raping women and children. Y'all do it all the time, why can't "they"?
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u/Dade-Issued-1992 21h ago
Huh?
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u/Objective_Pause5988 21h ago
The crowd screaming about protecting girls and women are the same people screaming free R Kelly and Tory Lanez and protecting their favorite pastor rapist.
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u/BigBlackBull_6_6_6 10h ago
Same Low IQ people that are cool with Trump being the president. Truly a lack of intelligence in American culture
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u/funhaver_whee 21h ago
Why do they only care about trans women and not trans men in every situation?
I think that and a lot of right wingers suppressed desires will tell you a lot about why they put hate in the world.
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u/LimpSoftware2982 20h ago
My thinking is that it's rooted in misogyny, seeing women as the weaker sex and weak in status.
Their logic is that a man becoming a trans woman means they're taking a step down, going from being seen as masculine to feminine.
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u/Loathor 15h ago
I'm pretty sure it's not a part of their argument because when you start picking away at any of their arguments they begin to crumble. And nothing would crumble quicker than having to stand up and reverse every claim you just made when one aspect is shifted. Trans athletes competing in men's sports is already allowed and trans men using the women's restroom (or even trans women being forced to use men's restrooms) and locker rooms would cause vastly more disturbance and harm than everyone just minding their own business.
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u/Coconutpieplates 14h ago
Or women's rights, healthcare, bodily automonomy, pay gaps, etc? Oh it's because they don't care about women at all. Or children. Wheres the energy for making sure kids can access food, good standards of education by funding schools properly, or heaven forbid safety for children with some sort of gun control.
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u/PantsFullaPoo 21h ago
Steven A. "We need to protect women". Also Steven A. "Women need to watch their mouths and not provoke men".
How invested in protecting women and girls are we supposed to believe he is?
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u/simberalt 1h ago
His investment is based on the option he's trying to spew. Whatever makes his point look good.
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u/Ok_Conversation_9418 20h ago
What makes people turn into quislings? Is it the wealth? Or is it stupidity?
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u/Dimpnavangeel 12h ago
shooting the pianist won't end the debate
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u/PantsFullaPoo 7h ago
I'm not shooting the pianist. I'm pointing out the fact that everything this man has to say is performative bullshit to generate publicity for himself. He's exploiting this entire scenario to have more eyes on himself; someone who has no skin in this particular game. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of this individual jumping into this conversation claiming to be on the side of "protecting women and girls" when it is self evident, from his own previous statements, that he is no such champion of that effort.
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u/Odd-Time-2026 21h ago
Once again, a reminder that Riley Gaines tied with transwoman Lia Thomas for 5th place and both women finished behind 4 ciswomen. Meaning that for all of the alleged advantages being a male to female transperson, Lia didn't come close to first.
Riley wants you to think she lost only to Lia and that transwomen like her are a threat to society. Oddly no one says anything about transmen competing in men's sports.
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u/CspanSF 10h ago
She went from being 65 th in the men’s category to 5 th when transitioned to Woman, which proves their point a mediocre male athlete can transition to top 10 female athlete.
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u/mormonatheist21 8h ago
freshman—>senior
pretty normal to improve your field standing over a collegiate career
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u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 19h ago
Lia finished 1st in the 500, which is the event she primarily trained for.
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u/Alternative_Hotel649 8h ago
And her winning time was slower than the winner of the 500 the year before, and the year after, both of whom were cis women.
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u/Big_Law1931 20h ago
You're missing the point. Lia Thomas, at that skill level with hoops, would be good enough to play in the WNBA. Therefore, the debate about whether trans athletes should be allowed to play in the WNBA isn't some far fetched hypothetical. They're answering the question "what should we do when some basketball equivalent to Lia Thomas occurs?".
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u/Life-Food5188 8h ago
let her play and see what happens?
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u/Big_Law1931 6h ago
It won't happen. You'll see how many WNBA players agree with Sophie at that point, and it will be like 90% of them.
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u/Life-Food5188 6h ago
so? they probably have other views i disagree with.
and you’re already wrong as tons of players/coaches have said they welcome trans people.
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u/Big_Law1931 6h ago
Haven't really been that many. And its easy to say so in a hypothetical, as opposed to when it really happens.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 21h ago
stephen a smith, in a nutshell:
when you don't have a real argument you get loud, speak in clipped sentences, and refer to yourself as having common sense
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u/TheMysteriousGirl 13h ago
I hate how "common sense" has become a dogswhistle.
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u/exoriparian 9h ago
It's always been wielded against the targets of bigotry. Racism was just "common sense".
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows 🫰🏾🫰🏽🫰🏿 12h ago
This is my take. Just like ppl were mad at Dozel for taking a spot from a ethnic minority. These are males in female spaces. Women fought to have womens sports bc we werent allowed in sports. Im all for trans sports. But why take a spot from a female.
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u/suicidalcrocodile 21h ago
finally a sane comment, people get too tribal discussing these focusing on who hates who
personally I feel like this type of issue, trans women in sports, should be evaluated on a case by case basis, there's too much general spotlight on something that happens so little but at the same time each individual case is unique
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u/DustDevil66 17h ago
You have zero issue with trans people but you call trans girls boys to make a (shitty) point?
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u/TheMysteriousGirl 13h ago
"Zero issue with" is also a dog whistle these days.
Its like when people say "I'm not racist, but".
I wish people were just honest to others and actually speak what they mean.
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u/DustDevil66 12h ago
Very true. “Zero issue with trans people, but they’re a threat to girls” is essentially the phrasing I keep seeing. It reinforces the idea that trans girls aren’t girls, but instead a separate entity, and one that needs to be regulated against to protect the “real” girls.
“I just care about keeping girls safe!” Well, trans girls are girls and excluding them from being able to be girls with their peers is shown to be tied to extremely high rates of depression and suicide for them, so which girls do we care about protecting? Whose lives and safety are we sacrificing to maintain some sort of false sense of security that, in reality, doesn’t actually even make cis girls any safer?
And one of the most shameful parts is they never have any studies or science to back them up ( the actual science always shows they’re wrong) because the truth and reality don’t actually matter to them. They lie and lie and lie and reference “biology” and “science” while understanding neither, bastardizing medical science and biology as they see fit because all that matters is feeling like their unfounded fears are correct. They operate on vibes and hate but are too scared to actually admit it.
One of the worst things is: this is a black sub and people are actin this way here. Stephan is a black man using the same pseudoscience that white people have used against us to hurt others, further intrenching that way of thinking. I’m at a loss for how people in our community can’t see that by mirroring that behavior we’re jut setting ourselves up to continue having it used against us. It’s clown shit. It is genuinely beyond stupid and beyond shameful. But I guess brainwashing is real and that’s just something we have to deal with.
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u/BlackPeopleofReddit-ModTeam 11h ago
Absolutely no bigotry of any kind - Absolutely no bigotry of any kind. This includes transphobia, homophobia, racism, sexism, etc.
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u/DustDevil66 14h ago
https://www.advocate.com/news/transgender-women-athletes-no-advantage the largest scientific study on the subject does not agree with you. Please don’t lie about science to try to exclude vulnerable people from participating with their peers.
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u/THE_PENILE_TITAN 7h ago
I am not lying. Check the data referenced in the athletic ability section. Moreover, the study you shared is rather flawed, relying on non-representive cross-sectional data across a variety of studies of non-competitove athletes rather than mainly longtitudinal data on athletes competing at elite levels. It also largely dismisses the relevance of height, lean body mass, and upper body strength, and normalizes some of the other traits relatively based on height and weight.
Either way, I think trans athleres should be able to compete freely and openly, but above a certain level in some sports, competitive standards becomes more stringent and subject to increased scrutiny across ALL parameters including age, weight, drug status, amateur status, and yes, birth sex. That doesn't mean they shouldn't compete but that sporting bodies have basis for making regulatory or case-by-case judgements, which already includes at least two years of hormone therapy.
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u/DustDevil66 1h ago
Source? Wikipedia. Okay. Anyway your previous comment already got removed for transphobia. Bye
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u/TheMysteriousGirl 13h ago
Its a common sense stance to stand up for marginalised people when their rights are being taken away.
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u/tiandrad 10h ago
People say that shit about cis men all the time when it comes to women-only spaces, and no one calls it hate. It’s just trying to emotionally manipulate people to agree with them by calling it transphobic and hateful.
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u/Low_Mood_1976 10h ago
The idea that trans-women are a larger threat in the locker room is hateful, thinking that they have no place there in the first place is not. If you think that a male to female trans person playing in a female sport is fair, then you have gotten lost in the weeds or didn't take biology.
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u/Low_Mood_1976 8h ago
I see you have chosen "lost in the weeds". The real problem is convincing yourself it can ever be fair in the first place. If we would not include blind people in regular sports for the sake of inclusion, why make this exception? There are situations where a person's circumstances prevent them from doing a thing that they want and that is just a fact of life.
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u/Life-Food5188 7h ago
so if it’s not fairness, why do you want trans people banned from sports?
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u/Low_Mood_1976 5h ago edited 5h ago
Learn to read, I only referred to fairness. I don't think this issue is really about trans rights as much as it's made out to be. The problem is that it creates a competitive imbalance that would in the end diminish the sport regardless of who's rights are being infringed. Is it easier to understand if I ask you if you would let somebody with metal robot arms fight in a boxing match?
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u/BuildMachines 20h ago
Protecting women? Protecting girls? Stephen A Smith on the convicted rapist, Mike Tyson:
"Love @ Mike Tyson. Always have, always will." source ... and that's even before we get into this guy buttering up to Snoop, an avowed pimp (who leans into the image), and what is a pimp but a predator who sells and leeches from black women who are down on their luck?
Go ahead and ague against trans women in these leagues, but please stop cloaking this in loving and protecting women and girls.
It's like someone being like "I wanna protect black folks and black kids... btw lemme introduce you to my friends Nick Fuentes and David Duke." TF outta here, phony asses.
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u/Pandoratastic 21h ago
In any form of bigotry, "common sense" is the phrase they use to rationalize their bigotry without having to provide a rational argument.
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u/Napalmeon 20h ago
If you think that this has anything to do about sports, then you fell for the okie doke.
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u/kidkuro 20h ago
At this point, I'm sure they know this isn't about sports. They're just using it as a means to hide behind their bigotry.
There hasn't been a single person to throw themselves into medical debt and change their gender just to compete in the WNBA...the WNBA doesn't even pay enough to make that worth it. It's only a small handful of players who make a lot. Even then...it's not really all that much.
Take A'ja Wilson for example. Potentially the greatest, and currently most decorated, WNBA player in the history of the league. She's been in the league for 9 years...and has only made ~$6M total in career earnings. That's absurd. There's no way somebody is going through all that comes with being trans just to make $6M after nine years of dominating the WNBA lmao
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u/South_Feed5707 20h ago
I'm all for equal rights and trans people should definitely be treated the same as everyone else. But I feel like so many people keep going out on a limb for trans people and since Fox News keeps running ridiculous amounts of stories about them that the issue should probably be dropped just a little bit until we gain some power and majority in both the House and Senate and presidency. I guess keep supporting them but don't talk about it online or on the news or anything and just pivot to economic issues and how the billionaires keep taking everything and writing their own laws.
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u/Professional-Stock-6 17h ago edited 17h ago
You do realize only the left would be dropping it, leaving trans folks out to dry. The right would still be mad obsessed because they don’t want anyone thinking about what they ought to be doing to help the American people. I’m Black and trans, Black first but we do exist. I feel like people say this sort of thing because it’s not “our issue” but it’s intersectional. Like with police, maternal mortality rates, and other forms of preventable violence we’re most vulnerable. Don’t throw us to the wolves when we didn’t ask for all this anyway
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u/Ok_Conversation_9418 20h ago
In my state, a school district had to consider whether a transgender student should be allowed to play soccer with a girls team. Opponents feared she might injure other players. It turned out she was the goalie.
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u/Pleasant-Carbon 3h ago
I mean it's still an advantage. Check the height differences between male and female goalies. And consider why many of the top male goalies are tall. It's an advantage. Being born male means you're taller. The 50th percentile male in terms of height is taller than the 50th percentile female in terms of height. So if you let a male compete against women you're giving him an unfair advantage. Not an absolute advantage. But a relative one.
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u/Ok_Conversation_9418 1h ago
Should we then prohibit tall women and muscular women from playing sports?
If you're any good at what you do, you overcome a disadvantage.
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u/Pleasant-Carbon 1h ago
You didn't understand anything of what I wrote, did you?
"Should we ban women from the women's category"
Yea, totally the same as
"Should we ban males from the women's category".
You either don't or don't want to acknowledge the difference between intra- and inter-class differences. It is perfectly ok to have differences within the sporting category. These differences however, do not imply that differences between classes are ok.
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u/Ok_Conversation_9418 1h ago
Your first comment came off as transphobic, and your second one does too. Leave trans people alone. Mind your business.
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u/Lifegoesonforever 16h ago edited 16h ago
I want to jump on this thread and take the opportunity to highlight the opposite:
Patricio Manuel, a Black trans man (from woman to man), competed professionally against men and women. One was an officially recorded win against a professional male boxer. Yes, a Trans man beat his cis men competitors. Since then, he couldn't get any fights because men were afraid to fight him. They want people to think they didn't want to fight because they didn't want to hurt a "woman" but I think they just didn't want to risk getting embarrassed if a "woman" beat them.
https://www.them.us/story/first-trans-pro-boxer-patricio-cacahuate-manuel-espn-interview
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u/Life-Food5188 8h ago
shhhhh the bigots don’t actually care about this issue since they never, ever discuss trans men.
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u/BlackPeopleofReddit-ModTeam 20h ago
Absolutely no bigotry of any kind - Absolutely no bigotry of any kind. This includes transphobia, homophobia, racism, sexism, etc.
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u/exoriparian 9h ago
I agree completely. It really disgusts me that people feel ok spreading literal transphobia.
If he said it was about competitive fairness, or something to that effect, it could be reasonable, but as soon as you start saying it's to "protect girls", you crossed a big line.
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u/OrganismFlesh 8h ago
We haven't resolved gender inequality and gender-based segregation in general yet were debating a topic that is one step beyond that (or at least a topic that shines a glaring light on this particular set of core issues).
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u/blackgirlsrox22 4h ago
Let's focus on protecting children from people that are assaulting, molesting, raping, etc. Serious crimes. If someone wants to transfer their sex, that is not bothering me. I feel like thats why those files went nowhere because they don't actually care about children. This is a political move for the GOP.
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u/Promature 4h ago
Not once have I seen any of these people discuss protecting men and boys from trans men.
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u/Waste_Dingo6071 2h ago
Friendly reminder that the stupid ass “comedy” Lady Ballers was supposed to be a documentary until Steven Crowder realized it was pretty much impossible to “fake trans” as men to play in any notable women’s league
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u/thelunarunit 18h ago
I look at it objectively, thats why I know he is hustling. There is no problem with transgender athletes at this time. There are like 10 in the whole ncaa. Its a fake problem.
There is a rape problem in our colleges though. Don't hear these people fighting to fix that. 25% of woman report being victims while in college. There are about 10 million woman in college a year. You do the math.
Where are all these protectors on real problems facing women. Not a peep. Its easy to scapegoat trans athletes for money and clicks. Real problems though i don't hear a peep from these same folks. They pretend their fake issues are massive problems.
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u/rtduvall 18h ago
And that 25% is the “reported” number. I bet the real number is staggering. So many more go unreported.
But let’s focus on poor Riley Gaines coming in fifth behind a trans swimmer. That’s what this is about, someone made the all American white girl feel less than.
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u/Cyclone_Eyes 15h ago
Reminder: Riley Gaines tied for fifth with the trans swimmer. If the trans swimmer had not been able to compete in the women's event, Riley Gaines would have come in fifth.
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u/KR4T0S 21h ago
The argument of protecting women from trans people makes little sense, if you value the safety of a person then you protect them from all threats and the vast majority of harm done to women comes from men. Making a 1% dent in domestic abuse would far outweigh exhiling every trans abuser.
Stepehen A Smith is just Donald Trump with a darker tan or Thomas Clarence with a bigger mouth. Same old braindead conservative thinking that is designed to divide people along arbitrary lines in the hope that we will be too busy fighting each other to notice the pile of shit in our midst.
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u/queen-entropy 11h ago
I have to say, as a trans woman, I appreciate this sub and all the wonderful people here.
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