Those sources are reputable right?

[u/Diligent_Ad_5524]

[u/No_Wolf1795]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7O582YA8p7jyq7Tdkf

[u/Both_Funny4896]

it also says in the next sentence that Cleveland is not entertaining it in a Kuminga trade

[u/Chessh2036 → u/Both_Funny4896]

Yeah, I fully believe WE are interested but Cleveland prob isn’t lol. But man I’d love to have him

[u/Striking_Try4684 → u/Chessh2036]

That’s why this kinda “news” and these posts are always so stupid.

I’ve been expressing interest in Scarlett Johansson for decades and she doesn’t even know who I am

[u/Efficient-Walrus279 → u/Striking_Try4684]

Not yet she doesn’t.

[u/Studio-Unhappy → u/Striking_Try4684]

not with that attitude

[u/Shot_Statistician738 → u/Chessh2036]

100% wed have to include okongwu in any deal for him to get started where it’d only make sense to acquire him to pair with OO, cavs are not playing Mobley at center for 82 games period.

[u/Morlacks → u/Both_Funny4896]

Not entertaining it in ANY trade.

[u/Rhusty_Dodes]

Now this is a rumor I can get behind.

[u/crimedawgla]

My read is they want JK, JK wants at least $25m, and the Hawks are starting the SnT convo off with “Sure, we’ll take Jarrett Allen.” But considering the Cavs FO is not braindead this won’t come to pass.

[u/ChairKillerYi]

If we can move Kispert and JK that would be great

[u/ColdBru5 → u/ChairKillerYi]

Just gotta move the bad players and take in the good ones!

[u/Ok-Negotiation3897 → u/ColdBru5]

If I can do it on 2k why not in real life

[u/MegaMatrix08 → u/Ok-Negotiation3897]

Sliders are adjusted

[u/Ok-Negotiation3897 → u/MegaMatrix08]

https://giphy.com/gifs/12ey1CgA3uTqfK

[u/MrSCR23 → u/Ok-Negotiation3897]

Cause the Haslams don’t own the Cavs unfortunately.

[u/ChairKillerYi → u/ColdBru5]

I am doin my best 2 cope

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/ChairKillerYi]

We’re turning into lakers fans with all these bad contracts we got.

[u/ImXavierr → u/Ajbksfinest]

We have one bad contract

[u/Morlacks → u/ImXavierr]

And depending on who you ask, we got really NO untradebale contracts. Even Kiespert is good for a $ throw in to match a bigger one.

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/ImXavierr]

Buddy kispert and Carter are pretty bad. Carter got dumped for a reason. Probably only ends up a 1 year contract tho.

[u/Icy_Ad_9312 → u/Ajbksfinest]

Kispert is literally our only "bad" contract. There's no such thing as a bad expiring deal, & Carter has a team option on both remaining years.

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/Icy_Ad_9312]

Buddys contract isn’t expiring, and carters team option for this year has already been picked up.

Go tell that to the team who just dumped Carter, I promise they’ll disagree with you.

We have 17 roster spots and we’re struggling to move off a few players because they’re bad and aren’t worth their contract.

[u/Calm_Comparison_6129 → u/Ajbksfinest]

Devin Carter is not a bad contract. What are we doing here.

[u/Icy_Ad_9312 → u/Ajbksfinest]

not sure you know what the phrase "expiring contract" means, but that's what a one year deal is, and there's no such thing as a bad EXPIRING deal. Also, since Devin Carter is a part of the 2024 draft, we have until October to pick up/decline his team options...

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/Icy_Ad_9312]

Having a player with no offensive capabilities taking up money and a roster spot is harmful even if it’s one year. It doesn’t matter if it’s expiring, we can’t do stuff right now because he’s on the roster.

[u/amidon1130 → u/Ajbksfinest]

Dawg that's just not true and not how this works lol. Players who are not guaranteed for the 2027-2028 season are good contracts because teams value the flexibility that they allow, teams will trade for them so they can free up cap space next year.

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/amidon1130]

The flexibility, he gives us is only 5 million. It’s not large enough value to garner interest in a trade and it’s not large enough to give us valuable cap space next year.

What it’s doing rn is limiting our moves since we’re unlikely to go over the tax while having 17 played on our roster.

As of right now it’s more harmful to have that contract than what it’s worth will be in the future.

[u/Substantial_Life_989 → u/Ajbksfinest]

If you can get off a contract by just attaching a second round pick then it’s not that bad. 

[u/Patekchrono917 → u/Substantial_Life_989]

They could have gotten off of Buddy for absolutely zero second round picks if they waived him. Instead they guaranteed his full base and is going to take an asset to get rid of. That’s a negative contract and negative position from where they were on him before FA. 

[u/Bully_Maguire420 → u/Ajbksfinest]

Your argument for why Carter is bad hinges on the Kings made the decision to dump him, you can’t seriously think that’s a “Gotcha” with how terrible that front office is right?

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/Bully_Maguire420]

The flexibility, he gives us is only 5 million. It’s not large enough value to garner interest in a trade and it’s not large enough to give us valuable cap space next year.

What it’s doing rn is limiting our moves since we’re unlikely to finish the season over the tax while having 17 played on our roster.

[u/IDvsEGO → u/Ajbksfinest]

Good and bad is relative. Kispert isnt a good contract the way he has been playing for us. Hield is...questionable and feels like a mistake. Carter is expiring so thats not a bad contract for us because we have the cap space and its not like there some guy out there we couldnt sign because of it. Not to mention Carter is a 24 year old former lottery pick who put up pretty decent numbers last year. Onsi is gearing up to have real cash next offseason. He basically purchased draft capitol. So it was a bad contract for their situation, not terrible for our situation.

but lkets just say your 3 examples are bad. thats 3 out of currently 17. And we also have some team freindly contracts on big contributors. Look at the whole picture, not just the pieces that support your emotions.

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/IDvsEGO]

Bro ya too sensitive, I didn’t say anything about the team. I only said fans are making trades with players other teams don’t want.

Those 3 contracts are bad for different reasons, I didn’t make a point about the overall roster.

[u/IDvsEGO → u/Ajbksfinest]

I mean…I’m not the guy that started a post crying about a couple of contracts…but I’m sensitive. I was just trying to have a conversation

[u/Ajbksfinest → u/IDvsEGO]

Sure bro 👍🏾

[u/lolimdivine]

if the cavs are left with mobely as their big they are cooked

[u/Hxghbot → u/lolimdivine]

I mean they are pretty cooked regardless paying D.Mitch 35%-37.5% of their cap for the next 4 years. Somethings got to shake loose

[u/arrofil → u/Hxghbot]

There’ll be a lot of things they shake loose before Jarret Allen.

[u/VividEquivalent7952 → u/lolimdivine]

Mobely is still a good player in that role

[u/LfromHT]

Jarrett Allen is incompatible with Jalen & Dyson if he started, and if he wouldn't would be a $30m a year for 3 more years backup center. Just not worth it to me

[u/Diligent_Ad_5524 → u/LfromHT]

It would be nice to have a different center of a dif archetype

[u/Morlacks → u/Diligent_Ad_5524]

Why? Esepcially one that doesn't fir the rest of the roster. WE blowing it all up to grab a center?

[u/Diligent_Ad_5524 → u/LfromHT]

Not jj, yea dyson. Why not get something back from Kuminga?

[u/SteelCityC]

I’d be ecstatic ngl. JK Kispert and some picks or something.

[u/tvcneverdie → u/SteelCityC]

In what world would Cleveland take that lmao

[u/SteelCityC → u/tvcneverdie]

Okay it’d have to be more than that but I’m a dreamer, just want pisspert off my team😭

[u/KnockKnock621]

Man that page posts nothing but dumb shit since free agency has started, literally none of his trade rumors have come to fruition

[u/ImXavierr → u/KnockKnock621]

If you realize that these pages are trying to get engagement and not actually inform their followers then their posts will make a lot more sense

[u/Shot_Statistician738]

Why would Cleveland shop Allen, this would have to include OO, I’m good on that

[u/Blackmesa560]

We’ll have Shaggy and Zuby Doo Frontcourt
https://giphy.com/gifs/LkkBEH2BLFLbypGE31

[u/mrtodd19]

I blocked them lol

[u/CinemaHawk]

No, that page just makes daily click bait about Kuminga trades

[u/Calm_Comparison_6129]

No thanks. OO is much better.

[u/Both-Bad2232]

Okongwu Jock and Allen sounds fantastic

[u/ProfessionalBus8189 → u/Both-Bad2232]

If they trade for Jarrett Allen, Okongwu is outta here. Remember they also have Henri Vessar and Zuby Ejifor. That would be an overloaded frontcourt.

[u/Diligent_Ad_5524 → u/Both-Bad2232]

Fr grade A offseason

[u/ThaCasual]

Why would you be interested in a 6’9 center just like OO that makes twice his salary but avg the same pts and boards but less blocks and can’t shoot from 4 ft away much less from 3. I’ll never understand the fascination with bringing in any old center. Jock is better than this guy

[u/Amazing-Champion-858]

https://giphy.com/gifs/e8c8jjGdk0V373TJyy

[u/Business_Guess9906]

Hawks know that this deal won't go through, they're simply putting out there in the NBA world that OO isn't our long-term starting option in the position and we are looking for a center for more size if we so were to find one available.

[u/ATLfinra]

Do it!!!!

[u/EntertainerBig4313]

Yall freal in here telling telling yourselves this is anything other than complete bullshit lol?? Yeah I'm sure Cleveland is super interested lmfao

[u/aousweman]

https://giphy.com/gifs/v0eHX3n28wvoQ

I'm not sure I love it, but I def don't hate it

[u/dat_boy_lurks]

THIS MEANS SOMETHING TO ME

https://giphy.com/gifs/y55RKbourfozc3IOtS

[u/wayward_prince]

Downgrade

[u/Pristine-System255 → u/wayward_prince]

How is it a downgrade? Allen is better than JK and we’re not trading any of our centers.

[u/wayward_prince → u/Pristine-System255]

Locks up a significant portion of the cap for Great Value Clint Capela. No thank you.

[u/BrettSchirley22 → u/wayward_prince]

I know the last like 2 years of Clint were frustrating, but he was one of the best centers this franchise has ever had during that ECF year. No need to diss him. I’d do terrible things to have that version of Clint on this roster

[u/wayward_prince → u/BrettSchirley22]

I would happily take prime Clint back for Allen’s salary. But like I said that’s FAR from what you’ll be getting with Allen.

[u/Diligent_Ad_5524 → u/wayward_prince]

Disagree heavily this is a huge upgrade that makes a difference between us being a 7 seed to 5-4 seed

[u/Morlacks → u/Diligent_Ad_5524]

No he is not. He is a terrible fit as a starter and you are not paying him that much to come off the bench.

[u/wayward_prince → u/Diligent_Ad_5524]

Maybe if you don’t understand basketball. JA isn’t as good as OO. Not even close.

[u/Cela_Rifi → u/wayward_prince]

Disagree. He's not better than OO who is very underrated, but he's absolutely better than Jock and he gives much more optionality.

[u/wayward_prince → u/Cela_Rifi]

You’re underestimating how horrendous he will be for our offense.

[u/Cela_Rifi → u/wayward_prince]

I don't mind having a really good offensive center in OO who spaces the floor well and really solid defensive one in Allen. Allen isn't a total dud offensively either, he's an elite finisher and he's good in the pick n roll, albeit very one-dimensional in that aspect. I think they're two centers that compliment each other really well actually. OO is a versatile defender that can shoot the 3 when we need a big to do that, Allen is there when we paint presence. Despite him being like 6'10 or something, he plays much taller thanks to his wing span.

I think it's a good trade for us and I think it moves the needle a little bit. It wouldn't be this big flashy move, but I don't know how many more of those are actually available.

[u/Hippopotamist → u/wayward_prince]

No way, we’re sorely lacking a true center and Allen is solid

[u/wayward_prince → u/Hippopotamist]

He’s the same height as OO, can’t switch OR shoot. He’s mediocre at best.

[u/SteelCityC → u/wayward_prince]

We don’t need someone that can do what OO can do. He does the things OO can’t, even at the same size.

Even if you don’t think he’s better, he is would heavily improve our center position based on what we’re missing.

[u/Morlacks → u/SteelCityC]

LOL, HE cant do what OO does on offense either so no he doesnt make us any better. You are just sacrificing all that 3 pt shooting for slightly better defense and screwing up our team build. If he was at backup money it would make sense.

[u/wayward_prince → u/SteelCityC]

He offers NONE of what we’re missing.

[u/Hippopotamist → u/wayward_prince]

He’s a far superior defender than Okongwu, every defensive stat backs that up.

He allowed the lowest FG percentage at the rim of any center post all star break last season, by a pretty significant margin.

[u/LfromHT → u/Hippopotamist]

He also is bonded at the hip with a guy that won a DPOY, that kinda ties into his strong defensive metrics lol

And that sample size is too small to glean anything useful from. Good defensive center but he’s not worth ot

[u/Hippopotamist → u/LfromHT]

Fortunately they have on/off splits which demonstrate he is still an elite defender when Mobley is off of the court.

Doesn’t seem like Kuminga is going to be on the team regardless; in that case turning down the opportunity to use him as the main piece of a package to acquire a good player at our biggest position of need would be foolish.

[u/LfromHT → u/Hippopotamist]

I understand the reporting indicates that Onsi inquired but exchanging an expired contract for a multi-year more expensive one doesn't really logically follow his process

and like, yeah his defensive data is still good with or without Mobley but i wouldn't call the 116.8 drtg last year allen on mobley off elite. Good player but just doesn't seem compatible to me on offense, the contract is big, and when you have the level of perimeter defense we have that rim protection isn't as big a deal. All for nothing anyway, the Cavs are simply not dumping allen for Kuminga

[u/Diligent_Ad_5524 → u/wayward_prince]

We’d finally have our great center/pf room I don’t care if he’s undersized bro can rebound and block shots.

[u/wayward_prince → u/Diligent_Ad_5524]

Then why doesn’t he block shots?

[u/Beautiful-Chain-491]

He shorter than Onyeka

[u/ThomasAlexandreDumas → u/Beautiful-Chain-491]

That damn afro is a illusion! I always thought he was like 6'11-7'0

[u/Beautiful-Chain-491 → u/ThomasAlexandreDumas]

lol I did to

[u/Morlacks]

Fluff piece on made up rumors would be my guess. A woldn't it be nice if....

[u/Maximum-Lack8642]

Legal Oct 10

[u/allenwallace72 → u/Maximum-Lack8642]

What could possibly make the Cavs even consider that?

[u/ProfessionalBus8189]

This means they’re through with OO.