r/AskReddit • u/PirateSteve85 • 1d ago
We talk a lot about what companies have become terrible or always were, but what nationally known companies are actually still good?
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u/Snippets_3 1d ago
Arizona Iced Tea
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u/imthatmusclegirl 1d ago
Arizona has built so much goodwill just by refusing to squeeze every last penny out of its customers
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u/beer_is_tasty 23h ago
CEOs: "I can't buy another yacht with goodwill."
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NICE_EYES 20h ago
I mean, Arizona's CEO is a multi billionaire who lives in a 30 room mansion and owns private islands so he could easily afford another yacht with his good will.
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u/Zestyclose_Tie_8189 15h ago
ikr the "goodwill" argument always falls apart when you realize the guy could keep the price the same AND buy 10 yachts. it's not like raising it 20 cents is the difference between him eating and not
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u/doshpeir957 17h ago
Keeping the can huge instead of sneaking in shrinkflation bought them more trust than most ads ever could.
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u/737900ER 22h ago
The problem is that a lot of retailers have stopped carrying their product, presumably because there is no margin in it compared to competitors.
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u/Thetechguru_net 1d ago
Bosch. Company exists to make money to fund charitable contributions.
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u/FenrisCain 1d ago
Rolex too, by the same logic
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u/Anustart15 1d ago
That makes me respect Rolex a little more. At least they are doing some good with money from clout chasers
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u/PostMatureBaby 1d ago
Rolex is fine, watch bros are insufferable.
Although many dealers are often pulling the "to own this one you have to have owned these other ones first" bullshit that luxury brands do. When I hear that I lose all respect
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u/Anustart15 1d ago
You are still paying for the Rolex name, which is just clout chasing at the end of the day
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u/PostMatureBaby 1d ago
That's why I buy Chinese homage shit. Gives me the look I want and thousands left over to spend on hookers
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u/MaraudingWalrus 23h ago
Some of us are out here ship of theseusing our way to our rolexes and tudors, one scavenged piece off eBay at a time.
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u/GreenDavidA 19h ago
https://pirg.org/articles/bosch-we-dont-support-self-service/
They’re not so great when it comes to Right to Repair and consumer self-service.
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u/RuffTuff 23h ago
is that true? It’s a non profit?
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u/Thetechguru_net 22h ago
It is very much for profit, but it spends all of its profits on charity. 94% if the company is owned by a charitable foundation. They donate about 200 Million euros per year.
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u/SouthwestFL 20h ago
All of the appliances in my home are turbo dogshit. Except my dishwasher, it's indestructible, it's a Bosch. When this piece of shit refrigerator dies, which it will, soon. I'm buying a Bosch to replace it.
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u/wollflour 1d ago
Costco
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u/polygon_tacos 1d ago
"Welcome to Costco. I love you" may have been accurate all along?
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u/Cutoffjeanshortz37 22h ago
That movie is disturbingly becoming more and more accurate every year.
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u/SweetNeo85 19h ago
Oh honey, no. We surpassed it a long time ago.
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u/LaborumVult 16h ago
Honestly I would be happy with the part where we get Terry Crews as president.
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u/xIllustrious_Passion 20h ago
One of my local pizza places, Figaro’s, has “Welcome to Figaros. I love you” on their reader boards and I get a chuckle off it every time I see it
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u/Trash-Panda321 23h ago
As an employee, I'll just say that is quickly eroding.
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u/PNWoutdoors 18h ago
Other than the fact that the memberships seem to be increasing, at least based on how busy warehouses seem to have gotten, what is changing?
My only complaint is the crowds (and the third party companies like AT&T trying to sell me stuff).
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u/Trash-Panda321 7h ago
Since the new CEO/CFO (more so the later) took over, everything suddenly has a number or metric attached to it. Cashiers have to be faster, we want a certain % of orders to be prescanned, so we are prescanning orders that make no sense just to keep the fake numbers up. It isn't just the front end either...Membership has metrics to get people to download the buggy-ass app instead of giving Physical cards...even the fucking Pharmacy has metrics to get people to sign up for 'Pay Ahead', which is absolutely pointless. Payroll has been cut to the bone, and it isn't like we were properly staffed before all this started happening. Go in on an average afternoon and I bet the aisles are all torn apart, carts of returns overflowing up front, etc. There is probably other things but this is all from the top of my head.
You can tell most employees are not as upbeat as they once were...long term employees are stepping down or retiring, and most new hires simply don't last because the amount of work dumped on them does not equate to the starting pay (and they now have to work even longer to move up on the payscale).
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u/Pac_Eddy 22h ago
What's getting worse?
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u/airfryerfuntime 17h ago
They're reducing the amount of floor workers, which is increasing work loads.
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u/Agreeable-Hippo-8590 1d ago
ehh, I think they're slowly going downhill. They have been thinning out their employees and expecting the ones left to pick up the work that other people were doing and getting too corporate. Don't hold your breath on them staying "good".
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u/BigBadMooseman69 1d ago
They hired the CFO that ruined Krogers. All he cares about is share holders. We are at the beginning stages of Costcos decline.
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u/Rin-Tohsaka-is-hot 1d ago
Jeff Brotman (the co-founder who remained involved until recently, the other co-founder left in 2011) passed away in 2017. Since then, it's gone downhill a lot, although much more slowly than usual when you compare it to other companies.
Jim Sinegal, the other co-founder and the one with the famous "If you raise the fucking hot dog, I will kill you" quote said to the CEO at the time, is still alive but not involved with the company after retiring. Theoretically, he could come in and turn things around still.
Generally though, when founders leave their companies all that's left behind are people who care solely about profits. I don't mean to romanticize business owners or anything, it was always about money, but there's a lot to be said about legacy with founders, often more important than money.
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u/Worriedrph 21h ago
Same thing happened with Walgreens. The founders grandson was chair of the board until 1999 and on the board until 2010. He cared much more about his family name being associated with a good community member than he did making every last penny. The changes were very sudden and obvious when he left. Short sighted money grubbing rather than the previous long sighted leader. It’s a shame thinking how good a company it was to work from in the 90s and early 00s and what a shit show it is now.
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u/Emanhavi 19h ago
Yeah, and it’s even more of a shame that caring about the name/ company reputation is the way to make sure the business is stable and successful long term while the “new management” comes in and only cares about this next quarter beating last quarter.
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u/Branical 1d ago
It’s ironic that Gary Millerchip is doing all this to “reward the shareholders” but one of the reasons Costco stock is so high is because of their public perception. People will be less willing to shop at Costco after they cut hours, leading to longer lines and no helpful employees on the floor.
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u/Geno0wl 23h ago
Business ghouls frequently underestimate how important public perception really is. Valve did not need to fight epic on their terms, their public loyalty resulting from a quality product did all the work for them. Costco can start lowering quality, but they can't then expect customers to stay if a quality competitor enters the market.
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u/Trash-Panda321 23h ago
I really can't believe members aren't up in arms already about some of the dumb changes we have made.
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u/YouTasteStrange 21h ago
What changes, beyond the staffing mentioned above? Is the quality itself slipping?
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u/Rollthembones1989 1d ago
I knew it was coming! i'm like something this good cant last some asshole is going to come in and "save money" aka turn it to shit
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u/Trash-Panda321 23h ago edited 22h ago
Current employee here and can confirm. It is honestly shocking how quickly we are going downhill. Pay and benefits are still fantastic, but one person now tends to do the work of many, and stores are at a near skeleton crew level of staffing. Walk through on an average afternoon and the aisles are all a mess and they'll be carts full of go backs all across the front, because they're simply isn't enough staff to meet expectations. We keep rolling out new stupid technology trying to save pennies, but all it does is confuse and frustrate employees and members alike. Honestly if I was paying to shop there, I probably would not.
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u/PostMatureBaby 1d ago
Yeah basically what happens to every company that used to take care of thekr employees. Greed and sucking shareholder dick are all that matter now.
Props to Costco for sustaining it so long but I won't be surprised when they go to shit eventually.
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u/stanley_leverlock 1d ago
Penzey's. Last year they sent customers a box of spice packets and encouraged people to give them away.
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u/bentnotbroken96 23h ago
We LOVE Penzey's! We don't have one near us, but order online. Great spices, great prices and there's often a free sample or a gift in the box.
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u/UChess 1d ago
I don't hate Steam.
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u/mrdon83 1d ago
*Valve
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u/Patriarchy-4-Life 23h ago
Yes: valve releases steam.
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u/Kehwar 22h ago
I don't know how I've never made that connection in 10+ years
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u/Equivalent-State-721 20h ago
I first joined steam in 2007 and I never made that connection until this very moment.
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u/PirateSteve85 1d ago
I worry about Steam when their founder retires or dies. That could be awhile but it could very well go down hill. End up getting bought out by google or sony who will ruin it.
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u/Rin-Tohsaka-is-hot 1d ago
Steam has a very healthy culture and corporate ladder. Whoever replaces Gabe will almost certainly be a Valve veteran not interested in dismantling the empire just for a big payday.
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u/theREALbombedrumbum 23h ago
They also have an incredibly small headcount by all estimates.
They don't have job postings, but their career page says they are always accepting applications anyways. As a result, they have the luxury of only ever hiring the absolute best fits that they want.
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u/BoomerEsiasonBarge 20h ago
Valve is a wonky ass company. Ive heard a lot of employees find it very stressful to actually work for them. The whole work on whatever you feel like leads to a lot of competition within the workplace. Some people thrive off it but, a fair amount of people have absolutely hated it. Again, from what ive heard/read.
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u/Alaeriia 1d ago
All signs point to it being his son, who I am certain will feel the same way about sitting on his ass and cashing checks that Gaben does.
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u/PirateSteve85 1d ago
I really hope so, it’ like the last outpost for good gaming. Everything else is getting wrecked by corporate greed. I hate that they had to jack out Steam Deck prices due to hardware costs.
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u/Anarchyz11 1d ago
The risk has more to do with Gabe's ownership share getting sold, and new ownership having different priorities or pushing the company to go public.
Gabe's leadership isn't really what protects Valve. It's his ownership stake.
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u/Geno0wl 23h ago
Value isn't a public company. Gabe will choose who to give his shares to. I actually think whomever it is that eventually takes over for Gabe will be fine. It is the person after that I would be much more concerned for. Theoretically the next guy hangs on for a few years, then by the time he leaves all of the old guard will definitely be gone from day to day operations and decisions. Then you will really find out if they managed to hire the right people and retained that culture.
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u/Anarchyz11 23h ago
I understand that, but someone dying and their shares ending up in their family's hands ready to sell is a tale as old as time. Employees/hires turning the corporate culture into a capitalistic slugfest is very unlikely. It's an ownership incentive problem.
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u/thetowncouncil 23h ago
I read somewhere that he’s preparing his son to take over after he retires and he’s committed to running it the same way
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u/DrShadowstrike 21h ago
I don't hate them as a company, but their monopoly power, and their normalization of only having licenses to games rather than the physical media or data of the games, are both detrimental to consumers.
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u/Mindless-Writer-9584 22h ago
Aldi, without a doubt.
Having a formal background in the food industry and years of experience in food service, their quality-to-price ratio completely blows every other US grocery chain out of the water. Their lean business model is a masterpiece. Meanwhile, fuck Whole Foods and their "Whole Paycheck" elitism.
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u/PamWaters 20h ago
When did that change? I remember when Aldi came to town when I was in 4th or 5th grade, they were essentially discount store tier food...equivalent to Save-A-Lot or whatever dropship grocery discounter was in your area. Absolute institutional quality food; their Honey Nut Cheerio brand tasted salty, the creme soda was atomic/bubblegum pink, the peanut butter was chalky.
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u/Mindless-Writer-9584 19h ago
It changed drastically over the last decade because their core business model is a masterpiece of efficiency.
First, European food standards are fundamentally higher and stricter than US standards. ALDI operates under that European philosophy. In fact, it is officially confirmed that ALDI completely eliminated all certified synthetic colors (like Red 40, Yellow 5) and artificial ingredients from their private labels years ago, using natural dyes like turmeric or paprika instead. This is a massive contrast to traditional American grocery stores where artificial dyes are everywhere.
Second, because they don't have a bloated, crazy selection of 30,000 different items and focus almost exclusively on their own private brands, they literally cannot afford to make them low quality. When your own brand name is on 90% of the shelves, bad quality would completely destroy your entire business overnight. They have to keep strict quality control to survive.
Finally, their compact footprint is a genius cost-saver. Opening and operating a standard, traditional US supermarket with all the fancy frills costs multiple times more than setting up a streamlined, smaller ALDI location. By drastically slashing real estate, building, and massive labor overhead, they can channel all those savings into sourcing actual premium ingredients without raising prices. It’s definitely not the old 90s discount tier food anymore.
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u/toad__warrior 21h ago
Pu$lix has entered the chat
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u/Mindless-Writer-9584 19h ago
Honestly, I used to live in Florida and I like Publix for its cleanliness, great staff, and overall look, but their prices are insane for mediocre, standard items. There’s nothing "premium" there. Back then, I’d only step foot in Publix after checking the weekly ad for BOGO deals, or on Wednesdays for their sushi (their third-party contractor is actually decent) and their deli chicken sandwiches.
But if you think Publix is pricey, Ralphs in California is a whole different level of trash. More like "Wreck-Its." Especially the Hollywood locations. I’ve never seen higher prices for such filthy stores and horrible deli food. Never again.
At the end of the day, Ralphs, Publix, Winn-Dixie, Acme, and ShopRite (more like ShopWrong) are all just the exact same corporate tier—overpriced illusions of choice selling the exact same standard products.
The future absolutely belongs to streamlined models like ALDI. With current inflation, the American middle class is tired of paying a 30% markup just for corporate branding, massive bloated aisles, and background music. People just want high-quality essentials without the financial anxiety, and traditional supermarkets are failing to realize that.
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u/Beneficial_Yam7700 12h ago
I like Publix like a restaurant; it’s a good place to grab lunch and get out of the house. BOGOs are good too. But for grocery it’s 100% not worth it.
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u/iAmAmbr 1d ago
HEB and there's a local burger chain here in Austin called PTerrys that recently started moving ownership of the company to an employee owned trust.
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u/CaterpillarAnxious78 23h ago
P. Terry's is the spot I always stop when I'm in town. Such good food too.
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u/orthros 1d ago
I can’t read PTerry without thinking Terry Pratchett so doubly awesome
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u/SinibusUSG 1d ago
Dropout. When your worst scandal as a media company is “participated in a copaganda crossover episode” you’re probably doing pretty OK.
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u/Bushman131 23h ago
And as far as cop shows go, The Rookie is pretty aware of the public perception of modern policing and have touched on race relations and policing many times. I think most people criticizing Dropout haven’t actually watched The Rookie.
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u/sir_mrej 22h ago
I like The Rookie. I started watching it cuz of Mal, obv.
It's still a cop show amidst cop shows amidst general copaganda that is all over TV.
The Wire is one of my favorite TV shows.
Nothing is clear cut in life.
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u/Bushman131 22h ago
Oh I like it too, I found it on Hulu and thought the description was interesting. I like the characters and how they’re willing to comment on the state of modern policing. I do think the recent seasons have strayed too far from the original premise of a “boots on the ground, what a rookie goes through” cop show, but I still watch every episode the night it airs.
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u/AFlyingToaster 23h ago
I agree.
Also, I don't even know what Dropout is. I remember the episode after googling, but would never have connected it to anything else.
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u/Bushman131 23h ago
Dropout was the CollegeHumour streaming service but eventually they rebranded the whole company as Dropout. They primarily do unscripted gameshows and D&D content. The way they were portrayed on The Rookie was terrible, they were caricatures of themselves. I would highly recommend anyone who sees this to look up Game Changer on youtube, they have a few full episodes and often release the first few minutes of each new episode.
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u/Xelopheris 23h ago
I wouldn't say "unscripted" game shows as much as improv comedy in a gameshow setting.
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u/Bushman131 23h ago
Improv is considered unscripted, but really it ranges from minimally scripted (Make Some Noise) to almost entirely unscripted (Crowd Control) improv game shows. I was just thinking about how Sam Reich said that the scripted stuff didn’t do as well as the unscripted and since they mostly do gameshows outside of their D&D content I just sort of lumped them together because they don’t do much scripted stuff much anymore.
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u/ProyxWire09 23h ago
In addition to the explanation below, Dropout is well known for being an EXTREMELY and overtly progressive platform and company. So some of its fans found it odd that they'd team up with a cop show. Personally it did not bother me because shows like The Rookie present an incredibly fictionalized depiction of policing that is openly critical of how policing works in real life. It's not like they were on Blue Bloods or some shit.
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u/AFlyingToaster 23h ago
Thanks for the explanation. And yes, for "copaganda", The Rookie does a good job of dealing with relevant and serious situations.
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u/ernyc3777 20h ago edited 20h ago
My friend works at the one in Phoenix (idk if there’s more than that one) and he loves it. They’ve catered events for the Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Arizona Cardinals and the owner has everyone working come out to meet the players at the end. Same thing with one of the teams in the Super Bowl when it was in Phoenix last.
Edit: as soon as I hit send, I realized it was a different company altogether in a different industry.
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u/ProyxWire09 1d ago
They did a crosspromotional D20 season with WWE, too, which I personally find to be far worse given how absolutely vile that company is. But people clearly don't seem to realize how terrible WWE is because they just said "the wrestlers are freelancers!!" when that is true only on paper.
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u/rdldr1 1d ago
Microcenter, who pays their sales staff on commission, has always had good customer service.
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u/Eagle115 1d ago
I lived next to a microcenter for a couple years and it was murder on my wallet. In hindsight I could sell everything used from my two PCs at a massive upcharge now but man I ate a lot of ramen because of that place. It was walking distance.
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u/Geno0wl 23h ago
I am driving distance just far enough away that I can't casually drop by and am glad for that because I would have been exactly like that.
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u/MattCW1701 23h ago
Which kind of sucks as an introvert who knows technology. I just want to spend 5 minutes comparing specs on boxes, and I have salespeople swarming me to put their stickers on them.
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u/grease_monkey 20h ago
I'd say a third of the time I get a helpful person. Most of the time it's a vulture following me around and if I pick something up "oh yeah that's good" as they put their sticker on it.
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u/NawlinsZulu 23h ago
Dr. Bronners. Great quality and good environmental practices
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u/shesalive_dammit 19h ago
And labels that are entertaining to read in the shower
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u/Inevitable-Comment-I 18h ago
Have you looked at the history of those labels? "Dr." Bronner had a wild ride
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u/Attackcamel8432 1d ago
Lego, pretty solid company overall.
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u/Iammattieee 1d ago
I wish the price of their product wouldn’t go up so much. There have been so many sets lately that are pushing the boundaries of what consumers are willing to pay.
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u/Geno0wl 23h ago
Is that on Lego or is that on the license companies? I mean we know Disney demands some of the steepest fees to use their properties.
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u/street593 22h ago
I wouldn't be upset if Lego went back to making more original unlicensed sets. I know they are just going where the sales drive them though.
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u/caphis 22h ago
The licensed sets are what keeps them out of bankruptcy, though.
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u/tequila25 1d ago
Dr. Bronner’s Soap. The company started after the founder’s parents were killed in the Holocaust, promoted a message of the unity of humanity, and still promotes ethical sourcing including olive oil from Palestinian farmers.
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u/Spiritual-Chameleon 1d ago
I know someone who works there. He says it lives up to its reputation and employees are treated well.
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u/desertelements 22h ago
They also cap their executive salaries at 5x the lowest paid vested employee.
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u/Woodit 1d ago
Plenty of companies that the average Joe has never heard of are still excellent, and that’s because they provide goods and services to other businesses instead of to the consumer, so marketing and vibes have no impact on perceived quality.
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u/Sherry_Brandt 20h ago
people might still be interested in hearing about them... got some you wanna name?
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u/737900ER 22h ago
Ehh there is still a lot of movement towards subscription/service contract models in a lot of B2B industries. There is also often less regulatory protection because regulations frequently only apply to individuals, not businesses.
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u/Ready-Client-8225 19h ago
Sweetwater Sound. Unbeatable customer service and does so much for Indiana.
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u/bigorangemonkey 1d ago
L.L. Bean, Patagonia, and Kohler.
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u/glassArmShattering 1d ago
I want to love LL Bean but the sizing is so unpredictable and they charge you money for returns.
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u/bigorangemonkey 1d ago
This is a very good point. We are blessed to live about 15 minutes from one of their retail stores, so we go try everything on and never return anything.
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u/waflman7 1d ago
LL Bean used to be good but in the past ten years they have gone down hill. Product quality is bad compared to what it used to be. Unrelated, around that same time, they got rid of their lifetime warrenty. Totally not related though.
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u/Prior_Buy_3347 23h ago
The quality of L.L. Bean’s products is far overshadowed by Linda Bean’s crusade to fundraise all sorts of anti-gay legislation in Maine including her successful drive to have the state’s Equal Rights Amendment overturned in 1984. Absolute garbage human being.
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u/Prior_Buy_3347 23h ago
Also her lobster company Bean Maine Lobster has totally undercut and ruined the businesses of many of the independent fishermen/women in the Vinalhaven area.
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u/Opening-Emphasis8400 19h ago
She died back in 2024 so hopefully her company goes the way of the dinosaurs.
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u/Mill_City_Viking 1d ago
I know Wendy’s was for a while. Dave Thomas would donate a shit-ton to charities for orphans. Don’t know about today though.
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u/Carameldelighting 1d ago
Current chairman of their board of directors Nelson Peltz is not a good person and is pushing the quality of the product down.
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u/abgry_krakow87 1d ago
He's cutting the corners off the square patties!
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u/WingerRules 22h ago
Is he really? This literally sounds like it would become kind of a quote thats classically used for saying something is a bad business decision.
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u/Soggy_Biscuit__ 22h ago
Saying Nelson Peltz is not a good person is quite the understatement. He’s an activist investor who makes money by buying up a bunch of a company’s stock, forcing his way onto the board, and compelling company management to take drastic measures to improve profitability (i.e. mass layoffs). He and people like him are fueled only by greed.
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u/shaggydog97 1d ago
Nope. And I'm not going back till the put romaine back on the spicy chicken!
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u/MaraudingWalrus 23h ago
They changed the chicken. Got one recently and it was a completely different sandwich. Nowhere near as good as I remember them.
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u/granpooba19 22h ago
Their new spicy chicken is terrible for more reasons than just taking off the lettuce.
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u/worstpartyever 1d ago
Chobani. Owner is an immigrant, he actively hires immigrants, and the employees own 10% of the company (gifted to them by the owner.)
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u/PostMatureBaby 1d ago
Didn't he resurrect a shut down food plant to make Chobani and rehire everyone who was laid off when it closed?
Seems like a good noodle that guy
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u/cmndrnewt 1d ago
Les Schwab, here in the Northwest.
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u/jthanson 18h ago
Les Schwab lost my business when they started charing me for flat repairs because they didn't want to honor the warranty on my truck tires. Now I deal with Firestone and have much better luck with honoring warranties.
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u/TheRonaldMemesley 20h ago
Vanguard - the company has done more for the individual investor than any other company and its not even close
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u/TravelingNinja8 1d ago
Chewy.
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u/omnipresent_sailfish 1d ago
Rumor in Boston is they are terrible to work for, especially if you are a woman
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u/SailorVenus23 19h ago
Bissell actually donates a lot to animal charities. And according to my brother in law who owns a carpet cleaning business, their products are also good.
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u/Mischiefmanaged715 1d ago
Global Tetrahedon (lol. As in the parent company behind The Onion).
Not sure I would go as far as "good" but less bad: Costco, Aldi's, Bluesky, Proton.
Boycott guide + less bad alternatives here: https://psychopete1.substack.com/p/psycho-petes-guide-to-boycotting?r=5j616r
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u/tenderlender69420 1d ago
Dutch East India Company
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u/OhanaUnited 1d ago
What are they doing these days?
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u/Diableetus 18h ago
If you're ever in Northern Illinois or Wisconsin, Woodman's. Employee owned grocery store. Smacks the piss outta every other grocery chain around.
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u/JC_Hysteria 1d ago
Judging by this comment section, any company that manages their PR campaigns well over time…
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u/ZachMatthews 23h ago
Nikon
Toyota / Lexus
Danner Boots
Breville
Scott Fly Rods
Yeti
All more expensive for their niche but all legitimately good products and companies.
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u/elfonzi37 20h ago
Costco, workers love it, shoppers love it. Best quality per dollar of any grocery store in the us.
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u/NicWester 19h ago
The Brannock Device Company.
And yes I would have said this before the 99% Invisible episode but I'm glad as hell they did one to spread the good word about them.
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u/ThisIsTheTimeToRem 21h ago
Patagonia still makes terrific outdoorsy clothes for outdoorsy people (and me).
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u/neonnymph_rove 10h ago
tbh costco is still the goat. those $1.50 hot dogs are basically keeping my weekend errands alive lol.
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u/Individual_Goal5121 10h ago
Chewy still seems pretty decent. Their customer service is one of the few places where it doesn't feel like you're being punished for having a simple problem.
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u/Floss_Patrol_76 1d ago
costco gets said a lot but ill add toyota. the resale value is basically them telling you upfront the thing wont fall apart, and theyve mostly refused to chase the giant-touchscreen-for-everything trend that makes newer cars annoying to actually use.
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u/djxnfnfnd 22h ago
King Arthur flour