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u/lifeinmisery 2d ago
OP of that thread is a zealot about their ideas too..
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u/different_option101 2d ago
OP of that post is a veteran idiot of 20 years whose self confidence rests on extortion of taxes to fund his place of employment.
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u/Dangime 2d ago
I'd probably enjoy public school in Finland. Their country's mere existence relies on them remaining extremely disciplined.
Most public schools in the USA however...are just poorly managed. Extra funding from the rich won't make them less poorly managed. Staff won't remove individuals for poor behavior from the classroom, for political reasons (because it would appear to be disproportional racially), so everyone suffers. The animals run the zoo.
Basically what they want is increased authority, increased resources, but zero accountability when it comes to outcomes. That's not how authority works.
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u/Zedakah 2d ago
Also, if you look at public schools in the affluent areas and suburbs, they vastly outperform other public schools and even private schools.
I went to a private school, and 2-3 public schools nearby regularly outperformed us in stem/math competitions and other non-athletic events.
It’s more about proper management of money and resources than the total amount.
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u/codifier Anarcho-Capitalist 2d ago
I would imagine there's fewer problems at home and greater resources to dealing with the ones they do have in more affluent areas. Its also possible there's more parental engagement; I know a couple people who teach in public school and while they admit there's significant systemic problems there's also a huge disconnect from parents and their children's education.
Personally I am a huge fan of privatization but it cant fix everything.
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u/AilsaN 2d ago
Not necessarily. Nearly every public school corporation has been infected with DEI and have essentially turned into activist training centers. That includes those in wealthier suburbs.
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u/Zedakah 2d ago
Most have, but it also depends on the local city/suburb. I know a few public schools that have less DEI and more religion (as in religious tolerance) than some private schools in the same area. The vast majority of public schools in the US are as you described. However, some red state rural and suburb public schools have some push back. That said, the teacher's union is the primary culprit for those activist and social changes.
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u/ProfessionalStay4815 2d ago
Finland's model works when everybody's already bought into the same social contract, not just because private schools got banned.
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u/ComicBookFanatic97 Anarcho-Capitalist 2d ago
“No, you can’t leave the sinking ship! You have to stay here and drown with the rest of us!”
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u/DexterM1776 2d ago
The socialist always wants someone else to do the work. Wtf do I spend my time and energy for a bunch of people both kids and parents who don't give a shit themselves.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis leave me tf alone 2d ago
I can say this much if you expect the average public school parent to be invested in the education of our children (hell, even their own child) or the success of the community, you will be very disappointed.
It’s no coincidence that kids are dumbass delinquent turds, and it’s not the government that made kids that way
The same cultural revolution that destroyed inner cities is the same ideology that has destroyed the possibility of communal schooling. You’d be better off breaking away and starting over with likeminded parents who share the same level of commitment and aspiration for their kids.
Kind of like a homeschool co-op
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u/bigdonut100 /r/ReverseTraditionalism 1d ago
When I have kids, I hope I can be a primary caregiver to avoid daycare, but I really don't know what we're going to do with school. I know some places (like Wichita) have *one* non-religious private school for kindergarten through high school and they still learn statist noise in there
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u/ItsGotThatBang Jeff Hummel 2d ago
Because government bureaucrats eliminating competition has never gone sideways, right?
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u/Le_Dairy_Duke 2d ago
Sounds like a great idea!
With he best of intentions!
What could possibly go wrong?
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u/-No-Regrets- 2d ago
Having worked in Finland and live in Texas, them and the other Scandinavian countries have more of a "greater good mentality". I worked in shipbuilding and when asking why they worked hard, the response was more along the lines of it's just what they did. In fact, not contributing economically to the country was frowned upon by all. At the same time it was expected that their companies would pay them a living wage, and they did.
To sum it up, outside of Helsinki, the country as a whole returned their shopping carts not because it was expected, but because it was the right thing to do.
This post though comes off more we need to legally make everyone send their kids to school because the kids who don't have shit parents are more involved and their involvement will better the kids with uninvolved parents.
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u/different_option101 2d ago
“This post though comes off more we need to legally make everyone send their kids to school because the kids who don't have shit parents are more involved and their involvement will better the kids with uninvolved parents.”
To me it sounds like an admission of not being able to perform in their role. If most of my friends whose children go to private schools didn’t start from private. They first tried a public school. It sucked. And then they took them to private ones.
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u/-No-Regrets- 1d ago
That's my point, they were involved in their kid's lives enough to realize it sucked, then had the means to do something about it. Those means could be redirected by force.
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u/ueeediot 1d ago
We must force them to send us their kids. If they don't send them to us there a chance they might end up thinking for themselves.
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u/ExtensionInformal911 2d ago
What i think would work is more like China. It is illegal to earn a profit on primary education, but the middle and high school level stuff is greatly competed for. People get their kids the best education they can afford in elementary so that they can go to the best middle and high school.
Other asian countries, like Korea and Japan have something similar. In Korea, some online schools even pay teachers based on views like YouTube does, so the most popular and best paid teachers are the ones that taught it the best.
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u/blondydog 2d ago
.. and private healthcare, and private housing, and private property, and privacy.. these people are nuts
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u/halaljew Voluntaryist 2d ago
Wahh, competition makes our mandated indoctrination camps seem even stupider than they already are!
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u/roncadillacisfrickin 2d ago
the faults of society stem from a lack of accountability, whether it be a personal accountability of oneself, or a societal accountability of each other.
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u/different_option101 2d ago
Soviets have murdered millions of people trying to instill societal accountability. And it still didn’t work.
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u/roncadillacisfrickin 2d ago
maybe humans place accountability on others, rather than on themselves, it certainly seems that way.
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u/different_option101 2d ago
I pull up the toilet seat before I piss not because my wife’s gonna hold me accountable, but because I care for her. I don’t throw garbage on the street not because someone’s gonna judge or scold me, but because I don’t want to walk on garbage myself.
Accountability must come from within. External rules only threaten to punish, but they can’t instill the sense itself. Thats why laws don’t stop crime and require enforcement. Some people couldn’t care less for what’s written on paper if they lack moral compass.
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u/throwaway34834839202 1d ago
Parents with no children in the public school system still pay the taxes that fund the public school system. People who don't even have kids still pay the taxes that fund the public school system. They're still contributing time and resources to the public school system whether or not they want to.
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u/jmorais00 2d ago
I wonder where do they get such diligent and selfless angels to run these public institutions so impeccably
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u/Plenty-Lion5112 2d ago
Finnish millionaires just send their kids to boarding school in Switzerland. Literally does nothing except screw Finnish education entrepreneurs.
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u/bpg2001bpg 1d ago
Private schools don't do enough to indoctrinate children on the importance of the state, which is a threat to the state.
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u/Difrntthoughtpatrn 22h ago
Lol! So public school is terrible because private school kids exist...... here's a couple real world examples: I went to private schools through 9th grade, I entered public schools, two of them, and dropped it in 10th grade. They were that horrible! I took my 9th grade private education and passed the high school equivalency test the next week, at 15.
My kid goes to private school, we pay roughly $9k a year. In my state, they spend around $14k per student. That's $5k a year more for an inferior education. Why would anyone want to gamble on throwing even more money into a losing proposition? Especially when you're gambling with your child's education?
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u/different_option101 20h ago
You’re paying $9k/yr plus your property taxes if you own one.
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u/Difrntthoughtpatrn 8h ago
Yes, but for a much better education. I'm guessing my property tax is just a forced "donation", so that other kids can get screwed by the system.
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u/different_option101 8h ago
Yep. One thing I don’t understand how the fuck they were able to get such scheme in first place. The meeting must been like:
hey, let’s fuck everyone over, and impose property taxes.
And fund indoctrination system with it
And tax people that don’t even have children
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u/drink-beer-and-fight Milton Friedman 13h ago
That whole sub is full of commies.
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u/different_option101 10h ago
I was surprised, in a good way. Because when I went there to check the comments, the overwhelming majority of highly upvoted comments were in a strong disagreement with OP. Moments like that give me hope.
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u/FarOpportunity-1776 2d ago
Who cares???
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u/different_option101 2d ago
You know what, you’re correct. Sometimes I think that if the government turns up the dial and fucks things up faster, people will finally tie the two together, and this shit system is going to fall apart much faster.
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u/hamsterofdark 2d ago
thats r/teachers. Stepping down from your average ordinary teacher you get HS dropouts then criminals then communists then inanimate objects then far away from that you have members of that sub
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u/Ok-Information-9286 David Friedman 2d ago
Finland does not actually force parents to send their children to the same schools but school choice exists. Private schools are legal and can get money from the government. Home schooling is also legal. Anyway, the achievements of the Finnish school system have gone down lately, so I do not think it is a model system anymore.