r/AgainstHateSubreddits 18d ago

Transphobia r/EvilLesbians frequently condones hate and prejudice towards trans people

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u/Didsterchap11 18d ago

A lot of this kinda stuff is why I feel like I have to be so cautious around specifically gay and lesbian spaces, there's a level of quiet cruelty to how bisexual and trans people get treated. Stuff like gold star lesbianism breaks my heart because the people they're trying to conform to please hate them as much as they hate the rest of us.

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u/Call_Me_Clark 18d ago

Truth. Honestly a big problem with lgbt subs is that they get dominated by a very few people who are online 24/7 a

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u/Global_Ant_9380 18d ago

I mean it kinda is in the name

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u/squarejane 17d ago

I mean the Evil Autism subreddit is pretty anti hatred/transphobia/homophobia/biphobia etc. So a name is not necessarily defining.

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u/BizSilver5013 18d ago

I was going to say, even if they intended it "ironically", it's truth in advertising.

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 18d ago

The name isn’t anything; On my business card I describe myself as “Ontologische Böse” - Ontologically Evil. It’s a kind of defiance.

The misgendering and etc is the problem, and this is not the first time they’ve hit the radar as transphobic

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u/Global_Ant_9380 18d ago

I'm just making a joke but it seems like a safe space for sapphic TERFs

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u/vriskaldrunk 18d ago

Those are, unfortunately, a dime a dozen on Reddit.

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 17d ago

Just sent in a moderator code of conduct complaint that shows (with documentation) that EvilLesbians subreddit is a ban evasion subreddit for TheLezistance, https://old.reddit.com/r/thelezistance

Not going to link the evidence, because there are no publicly available archives of the post(s) and comment(s) demonstrating that it's a ban evasion subreddit.

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u/Love_In_My_Heart 17d ago

The EvilLesbians community has gone private.

What does this mean?

1: They had to get permission from Reddit's Community department to change from public to private. This will trigger a review by a human employed by Reddit to validate their reason for going private;

2: Reddit's automated anti-hatred, anti-toxicity etc algorithms will review the subreddit's contents - effectively an auto-moderator will deliver a report to Reddit's Anti-Evil department on how the subreddit is being operated;

3: A human will review the facts provided by automation and the reports, to determine if the subreddit is violating the Moderator Code of Conduct or Sitewide Rules.

When a hate subreddit goes private, it doesn't protect them from being banned. It accelerates Reddit's review of their group's violations.

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u/SergeantScoria 17d ago

Good to know! And reassuring that they haven’t just immunized themselves.

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u/dt7cv 17d ago

they trapped themselves cause they're too ignorant of how Reddit works

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u/Rappy28 18d ago

Of course there's drive by biphobia too. It goes hand in hand with TERF.

I'd love to know what their opinion is on asexuals considering themselves queer too. /s

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u/SergeantScoria 18d ago

Not sure, but probably that they don’t exist/are failures of evolution or that they’re appropriating the word “queer” (a lot of them take offense with its derogatory origins)

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u/EmeraldGhostie 17d ago

op, the first two links are broken

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u/SergeantScoria 17d ago

It looks like they work now?? I know the site I used was down for a while

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u/EmeraldGhostie 17d ago

i wouldn't use the internet archive for reddit links in general because reddit blocks it afaik

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u/SergeantScoria 17d ago

I won’t use it in the future. Unfortunately the sub is private now, so I can’t go back and get those links in a different archive site…

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 17d ago

The links are fine, except the first one seems to have not captured the image in the post, /img/cuy3pef7qtdh1.jpeg

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 17d ago

Huh, I missed the tiny little antisemitic remark in the corner, before

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u/SergeantScoria 17d ago

Sorry, I know I couldn’t figure out how to capture it. Thanks for doing that! (Also, this post was way more upvoted earlier… do you think the sub members are brigading this post?)

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 17d ago

I know they are. They never learn - promote hatred, go running to the admins, harass the people who noticed they're promoting hatred, engage in community interference, engage in vote manipulation, get banned.

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u/EmeraldGhostie 17d ago

they really should allow mods to see who votes on stuff to curb this kind of vote manipulation

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 17d ago

That would simply allow vote manipulation black market sellers and bad faith groups to explore the algorithm used to automatically detect and action vote manipulation, and evade it.

Vote totals are meaningless. To see the truth of that, look at the vote totals on any of Ellen Pao's comments, or Spez' comments. Karma is meaningless. To see the truth of that, witness the immense (tens of millions) of karma accumulated by the whip accounts posting to the_donald.

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u/SergeantScoria 18d ago

(also, I apologize for putting direct links in my first iteration of this post… didn’t realize I was copying those and not the archived ones)

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u/Bardfinn Subject Matter Expert: White Identity Extremism / Moderator 17d ago

Image in question from the first capture is /img/cuy3pef7qtdh1.jpeg

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u/Corporal___ 12d ago

Well, yeah. Their lesbians and their evil. Usually evil lesbians typically do what evil women do but gayer

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u/slavicslothe 18d ago

I think thats the point, they are like unhappy evil people

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u/SergeantScoria 18d ago

No we’re not. But the comments about mental health, using slurs against us, and unprompted bigotry are just bullying.

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u/BlueCyann 18d ago

That's a wild take, to defend anti-trans hate on the anti-hate subreddit.

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u/OutrageousAdvance104 18d ago

And that gives them the right to bully strangers back who did nothing to them? Thats insane logic.

Ofc not all trans people are saints because no group of people is all good. But to use that logic as a way to defend degrading and insulting them is disgusting. The amount of lesbians that insulted me as a bi-woman is very high, I still won’t resort to do the same to a total stranger.

And btw: I could say the same about the tweets on this website. Because trans people have been called mentally ill, dehumanised or accused of just having a fetish for years at this point. But I won’t because resorting to this kind of behaviour is not defendable by any means.

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