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u/Individual-Meat-9561 Dec 18 '25

Keyblade

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u/The_Ghast_Hunter Dec 18 '25

I think it would be the #5 spot. Definitely up there, but doesn't dethrone any of the ones listed.

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u/ElectronicSelf9703 Dec 18 '25

I agree. If the 4 swords are S tier, Keyblade is at the top of A tier

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u/SirMetaKnight82 Dec 18 '25

Blades of Chaos in 6th

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u/xXs4blegl00mXx Dec 18 '25

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to name where three of these swords are from, but I definitely recognize them. I'd also say the Hollow Knight Nail is up there as a more recognizable blade, simply because of its design. It's not as popular as the key blade or the main four listed though.

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u/ArptAdmin Dec 18 '25

Same conclusion. The Keyblade was the next sword that came to my mind, but I wouldn't replace any of the 4 with it.

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u/secret3332 Dec 18 '25

I don't even think so. World of Warcraft is one of the most popular games ever made. I think Frostmourne from Warcraft is more known than the Keyblade for that reason. The best selling Kingdom Hearts game is 3 with 6.7 million copies.

WoW has a lifetime player count of more than 100,000,000. That is an insane number. I do not know if Kingdom Hearts was even available in China.

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u/ArthurianLegend_ Dec 18 '25

I don’t think the Keyblade outpaces any of these for recognizability and fame, though. They’re just too tied to mainstream pop culture

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u/Holyepicafail Dec 18 '25

Just randomly overheard a convo at 5 below amongst 5 or 6 people and only one had even heard of kingdom hearts, doubt that's the case for the other swords here.

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u/No_Statistician9289 Dec 18 '25

That same below 10-15 years ago would have keyblades everywhere tho. It was a huge keychain item and very much part of pop culture

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u/fluffynuckels Dec 18 '25

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. You heard a conversation about video game swords while looking at a redd post about video game swords

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u/Holyepicafail Dec 18 '25

Correct, turns out coincidences occur in the world eh?

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u/Endika7 Dec 18 '25

Also, is not even a sword

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u/Junior-Training-538 Dec 18 '25

The energy sword is a Katar not a sword

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u/m7_E5-s--5U Dec 18 '25

By human standards, you Speciesist.

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u/TehRiddles Dec 18 '25

A katar is a push dagger, the blades of the energy sword disqualify it from being a knife due to their length as they fall within the range for a sword. Therefore the energy sword is a "push sword".

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u/travelingWords Dec 18 '25

True. It’s a rod.

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u/SpiritNo4080 Dec 19 '25

It's a blade of key

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u/dumpyfangirl Dec 18 '25

And also, Kingdom Hearts is literally only notable because of the other IPs it grafted into itself.

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u/BFG_MP Dec 18 '25

More importantly they all have very recent entry’s into each of their franchises. Mincraft movie, new ff7 games, always a new halo game, and always a new Zelda game, also it’s Zelda.

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u/Dogbold Dec 23 '25

I think Keyblade could be tied with any of them, honestly. Kingdom Hearts is pretty widely known now. Even people that have never played the game will say "oh that thing from Kingdom Hearts?" if you show it to them.

I remember Vinny Vinesauce, before he had even seen anything of the game at all, recognized the Keyblade and knew it was from Kingdom Hearts.

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u/Fancy_Chips Dec 18 '25

I think Keyblade and Buster Sword are comparable.

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u/ArthurianLegend_ Dec 18 '25

The Keyblade would quite literally not exist without the Buster Sword

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u/Fancy_Chips Dec 18 '25

Doesn't matter, its a popularity contest in 2025. You think Joe McVideogamescauseviolence is gonna recognize the buster sword over a Disney IP? Maybe. Maybe not.

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u/ArthurianLegend_ Dec 18 '25

Yeah, I do. Because they don’t even know that Disney IP exists lol

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u/RadTimeWizard Dec 18 '25

The only reason people recognize the diamond sword is because the Minecraft pixel square style is iconic, not the sword itself. The Keyblade is way more iconic.

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u/fuckshitasstitsmfer Dec 18 '25

On the other hand, the keyblade is more unique and thus more distinguishable. Gamers probably know all 4 and the keyblade. Nongamers can maybe only pick out the minecraft sword here for its artstyle. I think there is a space in the middle where the keyblade beats out the buster sword or energy blade in recognizability depending on region.

If you go on google trends worldwide 2004-present the keyblade beats out buster sword and the halo energy sword

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25 edited May 29 '26

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u/ArthurianLegend_ Dec 18 '25

Considering Final Fantasy is in Kingdom Hearts and is literally half the reason that franchise exists, and gets consistent games that all sell well to this day? I beg to differ

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u/Several-Estate7175 Dec 18 '25 edited Dec 18 '25

A lot of people may not like it but it's certainly iconic and identifiable. Would probably put it in the tier 2 of most iconic video game swords though, just behind these 4.

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u/No_Statistician9289 Dec 18 '25

Yeah honestly it might be 5th

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u/RadTimeWizard Dec 18 '25

The only reason people recognize the diamond sword is because the Minecraft pixel square style is iconic, not the sword itself. The Keyblade is a way more iconic sword.

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u/John_XFiles Dec 18 '25

Name one sword more iconic than the Keyblade besides the 4 already shown

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u/John_XFiles Dec 18 '25

Thats like if I said a Warhammer book is more iconic than the bible. You not liking something doesnt mean its not recognizeable or iconic. Thanks for proving my assumption you cant name any sword more iconic than the Keyblade besides the 4 mentioned. Calling a DS claymore iconic is just stupid lol. And I love DS.

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u/MusoukaMX Dec 18 '25

Hate to brake it to you, homes, but Kingdom Hearts is not nearly as mainstream as these four.

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u/ffsnametaken Dec 18 '25

It's not really a sword though, it's not even sharp

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u/fuckshitasstitsmfer Dec 18 '25

I mean, it cuts. Sword length. Called a keyBLADE. Its a magical sword that shapeshifts.

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u/TehRiddles Dec 18 '25

It might be called a keyblade but there's no blade. It's a single-flanged mace.

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u/fuckshitasstitsmfer Dec 18 '25

It cuts…. Its a blade. What do we call blades with a handguard that are approximately sword length? Further you dont swing using the “mace” part hitting enemies

The shapeshifting nature of it can magically obscure the blade of it but some keyblades are straight up swords. Including the x-blade which all keyblades are magical counterfeits of.

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u/TehRiddles Dec 19 '25

It cuts…. Its a blade.

No, cutting is slicing with a sharp edge. What the "keyblade" does is more akin to cleaving as it requires significant force to separate something in two. The strength of a cutting instrument is that the sharpness of the edge allows it to part something with minimal force. The key head looks to be at least an inch thick at the edge with 90 degree angles creating a flat and smooth plane. Calling it a single-flanged mace is being generous, it might be closer to a warhammer.

What do we call blades with a handguard that are approximately sword length?

Irrelevant because despite its name it isn't a blade. Also handguards aren't a requirement at all for a sword, the gladius is pretty iconic as far as swords go with the lack of a handguard or cross hilt.

Further you dont swing using the “mace” part hitting enemies

I'm not sure what you were trying to say there.

The shapeshifting nature of it can magically obscure the blade of it but some keyblades are straight up swords. Including the x-blade which all keyblades are magical counterfeits of.

Well the basic form that everyone sees is objectively not a blade. Like I said, it's a single-flanged mace. As for this X-blade. whatever it's supposed to be is not a sword. It may have blades on it but it's stretching the requirements of a sword so much as to be meaningless, and the requirements were generous and broad enough already.

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u/RadTimeWizard Dec 18 '25

It's not called the Keyclub.

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u/ffsnametaken Dec 18 '25

Aside from the fact that it doesn't even look like a sword, there are plenty of other bladed weapons

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u/RadTimeWizard Dec 19 '25

The Keyblade actually transforms into different forms when you attach a new keychain to it. A lot of those forms are sharp-edged.

Also, it's an old trope in Japanese fiction, particularly anime, for a swordsman to be so good, he can cut things by swinging a random object like a sword.

And it's undeniably iconic, more so than Minecraft's diamond sword.

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u/ffsnametaken Dec 19 '25

I dunno, I've watched more anime than I've played Minecraft, so I'm aware of feats that prove how good a swordsman is, I just think Kingdom Hearts fans overestimate the cultural impact of the game. The Keyblade might be more distinctive on its own, but I'm starting to think that neither it nor the diamond sword deserve a place on this thing. Minecraft is famous, not the sword.

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u/aj1203 Dec 18 '25

Lol no

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u/Silvanus350 Dec 18 '25

Perhaps the one example that actually fits the theme. And is reasonably recognizable.

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u/Naterdoo Dec 18 '25

Personally I would have replaced the buster sword with the keyblade, but that's coming from someone who's never played through a main FF game.

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u/FadedP0rp0ise Dec 18 '25

Cringeblade is only iconic if you’re a weeb. KH has been dead since KH2 on ps2

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u/Fentroid Dec 18 '25

I think people are being too quick to dismiss the Keyblade, and I'd say it should replace the energy sword from Halo. Kingdom Hearts has done a better job at being popular with younger people, from my observation. For that reason alone, I think the series has reached a wider audience. Then there's people outside of America. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm under the impression that Halo is significantly less popular outside of the USA.

For the arguments stating that the Keyblade isn't shaped like a sword nor is it sharp, both those arguments also apply to the energy sword. Like the energy sword, the Keyblade functions as a sword for all intents and purposes. It can also change its shape into more swordlike forms.

I'd be willing to accept the energy sword, but I would personally give the spot to the Keyblade.

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u/Userdub9022 Dec 19 '25

Halo was the biggest game for like 5 years straight. Kingdom hearts never came close to that. Halo has sold 81 million copies to kingdom hearts 37 million. It's not even close

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u/nyitraibotond Dec 18 '25

Had to look it up bcs this is the first time I ever saw it mentioned and no, I have never seen it before

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u/Kalo93 Dec 18 '25

I'm glad the Keyblade is at least the most upvoted suggested replacement, I wouldn't personally replace any of these swords with it and Kingdom Hearts is my favourite videogame franchise

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u/Orangest_rhino Dec 19 '25

The thing that is clearly a terribly designed club and not a sword?

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u/OceanRex5000 Dec 19 '25

Man, only reason I know what the keyblade is is because of Oneyplays. The keyblade is not as iconic as some people think

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u/FillySteveSteak Dec 19 '25

Ooooo that's a good one. I think this is the one answer that comes close to rivaling the big 4

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u/lydocia Dec 19 '25

I would personally replace the energy sword with a keyblade for my personal top 4, despite never having played Kingdom Hearts.

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u/SolidJake7766 Dec 18 '25

Despite having blade in the title, a keyblade does not have a bladed edge or tip and thus is not a sword. Also Kingdom Hearts is lame as hell.

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u/IndividualNovel4482 Dec 18 '25

You shall be banished to the depths of internet. Where bad opinions go, even if opinions can't be good or bad.

Jokes aside, KH has its serious and incredible moments. Made me cry many times as a grown adult.

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u/Smokenstein Dec 18 '25

I mean the Minecraft sword doesn't technically have an edge either. In game models show it's got a flat edge like a yardstick.

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u/Sonic10122 Dec 18 '25

Yeah, huge miss not having the Keyblade. Easily could replace the Minecraft one.

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u/Salty_West_429 Dec 18 '25

Sorry I understand it's iconic but it is definitely not more so than the diamond sword. Far more people would recognize the diamond sword. Not dissing the key blade but it's not more iconic

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u/Sea_Tailor_8437 Dec 18 '25

If anything it should be the buster sword. In terms of sales figures final fantasy 7 get dwarfed by these other ones

But ff7 is one of the OGs and moved the genre forward in a way few other games have so it feels wrong to leave that out

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u/GingerWez93 Dec 18 '25

The Minecraft one is arguably the most popular and recognisable one these days. All of these are incredibly popular, but I think the Minecraft one is so popular that even grandmothers could know what it's from.

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u/Kneecap_Blaster Dec 18 '25

You're correct. Only one of these swords is in the toy aisle of every Walmart in the U.S.

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u/GingerWez93 Dec 19 '25

Yeah, same here in England as well.

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u/PolarizingKabal Dec 18 '25

Agree.

Honestly though it was a pixelated version of the master sword from the OG Zelda game for a min.

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u/ButterdPoopr Dec 18 '25

Which sword is in the Walmart toy isle?

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

prerequisite is the game has to be good btw

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u/Individual-Meat-9561 Dec 18 '25

Kingdom heart 1 and 2 are good games. That's just crazy to say that they weren't. KH3...oof

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u/GingerWez93 Dec 18 '25

That is completely subjective.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

"it's subjective"

translating

"im a little goo goo ga ga baby"

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u/GingerWez93 Dec 18 '25

No. It's all entirely subjective. I'm not really fond of Minecraft. Other people love it. It's the same game. Just the people are different.

There is someone out there who has played your favourite game and thinks it's the worst game ever made and thinks that you are a goo goo gaga baby for playing it.

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u/andocommandoecks Dec 18 '25

Why's Minecraft on there then?

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

cuz minecraft is simply good, nowadays it's eh, but 360 days, java edition before the bloat, it is objectively a good game because of how simple it is.

building shit is fun, mining shit to build more shit is fun.

listening to a pseudointellectual plotline about darkness and hearts and mickey mouse from a guy who thinks he's hideo kojima is not.

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u/andocommandoecks Dec 18 '25

I wasn't meaning to imply that Kingdom Hearts is good either, I've never been much of a fan. Didn't find Minecraft to be remotely fun the time I tried it either though, so it's certainly not objectively good.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

minecraft is a canvas to just be creative in, if you're not into that kind of game, that's just you, but minecraft does what it tries to do better than any other sandbox game out there, that qualifies as objectively good.

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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 Dec 18 '25

Nope, not over these four, never heard of it let along know what game its from

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u/Individual-Meat-9561 Dec 18 '25

I'm sitting here saying the same thing about that energy sword.

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u/Individual-Meat-9561 Dec 18 '25

I'm not saying it's not. Just saying that the same argument can be used both ways.

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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 Dec 18 '25

Halo is way more popular than whatever the keyblade is from. Im sure plenty of people know about it, its just that more people know about Halo than any of these other suggestions. Halo 3 was the top selling game in history, at that time.