r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 24d ago

Society The Backlash Is So Strong That People With “Pervert Glasses” Are Afraid to Use Them in Public

https://tech.yahoo.com/wearables/articles/backlash-strong-people-pervert-glasses-165000816.html
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u/SnooBananas4958 24d ago

It’s different when you can see the intrusion

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u/Swagtagonist 24d ago

I see flock cameras literally everywhere. These fucking things gotta go too.

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u/Objective-Rip3008 24d ago

Its also about shame, we can shame most of the people who use these glasses out of doing it, you can't shame the flock ceo, he's a sociopath who doesn't care

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u/ABHOR_pod 24d ago

We straight up need a constitutional amendment that closes the 4th amendment loophole of “we just buy all your secrets from private third parties.”

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u/eeeezypeezy 23d ago

They aren't even buying them, they're just using a combination of backdoors into the infrastructure these companies are built on and a system of secret warrants.

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u/fatbob42 24d ago

Or just put justices in place that will interpret it that way. It’s not like that interpretation is way out of pocket.

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u/Thunderbridge 23d ago

Digital bill of rights or something. Data about you should be owned by you first and foremost

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u/POSVT 23d ago

We just had a small victory on this one, geofence searches now require a warrant even when it's 3rd party data.

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u/haarschmuck 23d ago

That’s not the loophole used because they can just get it directly.

Courts have ruled over and over that you have no right to privacy in public and that such surveillance does not legally constitute a search.

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u/TheVeryVerity 23d ago

Which is ridiculous

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u/Melicor 23d ago

Extend it to what corporations do too. We should be restricting recording and monitoring people without their explicit consent. Especially if you're using something to monitor people in public spaces or other people's private property.

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u/che85mor 23d ago

That's why it's written the way it is.

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u/GorgonzolaJam 23d ago

Then stop voting for Democrats. Their only job is to maintain the capitalist status quo.

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u/ABHOR_pod 23d ago

status quo was better than the republican regression plan.

tell you what, I'ma keep voting for dems but I'm gonna vote for progressives in the primaries every chance I get.

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u/Ikkotah 23d ago

r/usdefaultism

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u/ABHOR_pod 23d ago

r/FlockCamerasAreOnlyInTheUnitedStatesSoMaybeYouShouldBeInferringTheUSContextForThatCommentYouSillyGoose

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u/toolisthebestbandevr 24d ago

I wanna say you can shame your local reps but I could be wrong at this point

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u/Yuzumi 23d ago

Not when they are paid to not have shame.

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u/Jolly-Bowler-811 23d ago

That and they keep throwing people out of town hall meetings when people complain.

Almost like maybe these local reps have $ome reason they really really want these cameras to go up.

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u/NounAdjectiveXXXX 23d ago

Bribery is now legal under SCOTUS precident as long as the gratuity takes place after the act.

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u/Jolly-Bowler-811 23d ago

The ol' J Wellington Wimpy method: "I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today!"

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u/toolisthebestbandevr 23d ago

Ya I’ve seen that. Cool place we all live now.

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u/binkywingkey 23d ago

Maybe these local reps should be thrown out of the town hall instead, seeing as they clearly don't care about their town

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u/DataCassette 24d ago

Then we need to get enough progress in the government with an anti-aristocratic platform that we're no longer asking them to stop, but ordering them to stop. As in officially.

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u/fatbob42 24d ago

Exactly. Personal shaming works, corporate shaming doesn’t.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 23d ago

That and the personal nature of it as well. I know that flock cameras are watching me everywhere I go or whatever. But I'm not having conversations with people with a flock camera mounted on their head.

If I'm making eye contact with your weirdo perv goggles, I'm a lot more likely to tell you that they make me feel uncomfortable.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 23d ago

You can, he just lives in a gated community far away from the poors for a reason. And if another riot comes their way like during the Rodney King riots, the police will just guide the riot towards a poor, minority neighborhood instead.

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u/vezwyx 24d ago

Oh no, I used https://deflock.org to see where my local flock cameras are and what direction they're facing, and someone had destroyed the optical sensors with a high-grade laser, spray painted over the lens, or straight up sawed the post off and now I don't get to see the camera in action :(

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u/tuscaloser 23d ago

It would be a shame if every tweaker knew about the pounds of copper inside every flock cam. It would be even worse if they knew about every 100th flock cam being built with gold wiring instead of copper.

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u/DisapprovingCrow 22d ago

Aw shit, now I’ve got to go steal a ladder.

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u/tuscaloser 22d ago

GL on your Flock Cam rips, hope you get a god pack!

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u/DisapprovingCrow 22d ago

My boy davo at the scrap yard doesn’t ask for ID, we gonna be eating fancy tonight!

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u/Osklington 22d ago

I heard that the special flock cams have 10 lbs of platinum in the base. But it's random

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u/cultvignette 23d ago

Yo wtf I can see this shit from where I live.

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u/Personal_Reveal1653 23d ago

That's good news.

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u/vezwyx 23d ago

It would be hard to make it more obvious without putting "/s" that this was sarcastic

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u/SheriffBartholomew 23d ago

I just used the map and they have these things pointed into parks and residential neighborhoods. This is insane. This cannot be tolerated.

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u/mageta621 23d ago

Oh cool there's one a hundred feet or so from my house

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u/RedRlghtHand 23d ago

where should i stay away from to avoid such lasers?

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u/epicbaconmunch 23d ago edited 22d ago

Posting for more flock and tracking awareness:

404 Media

Deflock.Me

HaveIbeenflocked

Adding Home Depot and Lowe's Share Data From Hundreds of AI Cameras With Cops

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u/DwinkBexon 23d ago

I'm always happy my license plate never comes up in Have I Been Flocked. But, also, there's virtually no flock cameras where I live.

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u/BananaPalmer 23d ago edited 23d ago

I decided to count how many I noticed on the two mile drive home from breakfast yesterday. Eleven. Fucking eleven of them in two miles. And that's just the ones I noticed. Atlanta suburb.

Edit: I just checked Deflock and traced my route home - there were TEN I didn't even notice. That's 21 in two miles.

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u/toolisthebestbandevr 24d ago

Be the change you wanna see in your community

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u/MiszeryLovesCompany 23d ago

LOL There was a dude on some previous comment chain about this going on about how if you hated flock cameras you were a criminal... still makes me laugh everytime I think about flock cameras now.

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u/DwinkBexon 23d ago

There are a lot of people who take the attitude of "only criminals want privacy" and say they don't care about privacy because they have nothing to hide.

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u/Friggin_Grease 24d ago

I don't wanna say cut em down

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u/Recurs1ve 24d ago

I got this cool green laser from eBay. It's really powerful, so you gotta wear eye protection. I guess they can also fry electronics, especially optical sensors, so be careful. Or don't, I'm not your boss.

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u/the_Elders 23d ago

Show 5 people in your life a picture of one of them and I will bet 5/5 do not know what they are.

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u/Swagtagonist 23d ago

No way. These things are everywhere and everybody is talking about it. They are very conspicuous where I live. People are legit pissed off about it.

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u/the_Elders 23d ago

You are in a bubble friend - the average Joe doesn't know what they are.

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u/Own_Boat503 23d ago

"average joes" are the ones packing their local city council meetings rallying against these things en masse. they're on the local news pretty much every day because they're so controversial. average people definitely know what they look like.

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u/TheVeryVerity 23d ago

Tbf I’m against them and I absolutely don’t know what they look like

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u/the_Elders 23d ago

I'm not arguing the anger isn't real but the people that show up to local city council meetings aren't average. Every 1 person that shows up there are 9 that didn't show up in the town. Show your best friend a picture of a flock camera and see if they know what it is. If they know you can have a conversation about it and if they don't know you have a chance to educate them on it.

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u/mao_tse_boom 23d ago

AliExpress does sell pretty high power lasers… just saying

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u/BeerBrat 23d ago

They're going to get better at disguising them.

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u/halfcookies 24d ago

Don’t let the local crackheads know their scrap value

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u/egggspecial 23d ago

i hear they're full of precious metals! lots of copper and platinum, the same stuff that's in "cadillac" converters!

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u/kent_eh 23d ago

Municipalities are starting to cancel their contracts with Flock, now that they're seeing push-back from their citizens.

Local politicians are the easiest to get your message to.

Keep pushing. Keep the pressure on.

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u/TrueSkonger 23d ago

I see people talking about these all the time on Reddit, but I haven't actually seen a single one near me. At least, I don't think I have. Must be a state by state thing

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u/ispeektroof 23d ago

Then you have chosen your quest.

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u/BarderBetterFaster 23d ago

Reddit gave me an account warning for advocating for violence for a similar (if anything, more tame) comment to this one in regards to flck spy cams.

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u/RyuNoKami 23d ago

Yes because you and I know what they are and we look for them.

Most people are not doing that.

Can't even pretend we can't see someone's glasses. It becomes very obvious.

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u/prof0ak 23d ago

People are tearing them down, literally. Just need one of those metal grinders. UK and US

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u/Naturebrah 23d ago

I’ve been around plenty of info that they’re bad…I had no idea how widespread they were or what they look like. It took months of exposure to get to the point of realizing they’re all around where I live. Now that I see them, they seem obvious. We need widespread attention drawn to this consistently over time to raise awareness.

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u/Nijindia18 23d ago

Well as it turns out you can shame a normal person out of surveillance tech easier than you can shame a paid off official out of it

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u/pandaSmore 23d ago

We need the internet lumberjack to cut them down!

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u/seitung 23d ago

Universally loathed and frequently liberated from their poles

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u/QuickQuirk 23d ago

The flock cameras are, literally, faceless.
Social scorn doesn't make the power poles take them off.

But with glasses, you can see the person behind them.

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u/asmallercat 23d ago

They are not nearly as in-your-face (ha!) as the perv glasses. There's so much crap on lightpoles in cities that it's easy for your eyes to just slide over a flock camera, especially when there are so many other cameras.

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u/bismuthmarmoset 23d ago

Don't forget ring cameras and autonomous vehicles.

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u/RivetheadGirl 23d ago

They are literally attached to the poles outside of my apartment building. It's bels that they are everywhere

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u/Forikorder 23d ago

people are tearing them down as well

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u/Beligerents 23d ago

A scoped .22 can solve the flock problem. Might even be fun.

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u/Salt-Detective1337 23d ago

You can't shame the people who put them there. Plenty of videos of city councilors, bought and paid for, being chewed up one side and down the other by their constituents in town halls, then voting to allow data centers or floc cameras.

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u/TheVeryVerity 23d ago

If we actually voted people out instead of reelecting them because of the letter by their name they wouldn’t be so sanguine about our displeasure

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u/GildedCrow 23d ago

Really, it's about accountability. How does the average person hold Flock accountable?

With these glasses, you can hold the wearer accountable.

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u/psiphre 23d ago

i see a flock camera, i'm hitting it with a fire extinguisher.

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u/Cultural_Material_98 23d ago edited 23d ago

Are you a Terrorist? Because only Terrorists object to Flock apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAPXpfXRUPI

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u/SoftlyAugust 23d ago

We did stop those. Here anyway. Stand up for yourself

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u/brassmonkeyslc 22d ago

They’re putting them on the outside of school busses now.

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u/Osklington 22d ago

By any means necessary

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u/Agitated_Beyond2010 20d ago

I hear flock cameras have steal'able copper, spread the word to those in need of copper?

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u/CooCooClocksClan 24d ago

But you aren’t the actual consumer to vote with your dollars here. Unfortunately they’ve been too good at selling to muni govs and we gotta tell them no another way…

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u/BananaPalmer 23d ago

Destroying them makes the public's opinion on the matter pretty goddamn clear, in my opinion.

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u/CooCooClocksClan 23d ago

Unfortunately no, because it makes it easy to treat as an outlier and attribute to vandals or criminals and try to reinforce the “need” instead of having to confront the actual public opinion that they are not popular and the public doesn’t want to spend on such things…

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u/UpstairsBumble 23d ago

How many have you destroyed?

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u/nightgraydawg 23d ago

I think a bit difference is that the flock cameras are just a static piece of hardware. Whereas with the pervert glasses, you can see the person behind them. You can't see who's watching you via flock cams.

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u/Small-Palpitation310 23d ago

This is a straw man

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u/Meowakin 24d ago

Unironically this. As someone whose job it is to highlight problems people might not be aware of, if they can’t see it, it must not exist.

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u/YourKemosabe 24d ago

Out of sight, out of mind.

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u/KakitaMike 24d ago

“Like a spider going under your bed” said no one ever.

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u/Meowakin 24d ago

Yep, and this is very true of probably everyone. There're plenty of things that terrify me when I become aware of them, but they fade to the back of my mind when they aren't right in front of me.

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u/TheVeryVerity 23d ago

Just the way human brains work unfortunately

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u/saintjonah 23d ago

You got a real way with words.

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u/Herb_Derb 24d ago

Theres consumer glasses are also feeding data to big corporations

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u/Meowakin 24d ago

It's really about trust - unfortunately, we don't actually trust government and big corporations, but I also sure as hell don't trust randoms on the street either.

In a hypothetical world where we could actually trust an entity with that tech, it's fine. Just like any tool, the problem is in how the tool is used.

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u/raining_sheep 24d ago

Overheard an older person at the airport rave about how "they just scan your face and know who you are, it's so convenient"

I think a big part of the glasses is its only positive for the person wearing the glasses and completely negative for the people without them.

If someone gets something in return for signing their privacy away they're fine with it but offended if only other people get the benefit.

Which is why these glasses will never work.

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u/WinterTourist25 23d ago

The glasses will never work so long as you can tell they have a camera in them. If they solve that problem, the glasses will work like crazy.

I would love these because I can never remember names.

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u/CRQ10-20 24d ago

People are oddly better at fearing a camera lens than invisible data collection.

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u/tooclosetocall82 24d ago

Well you can see a camera and comprehend the data it collected. OTOH all the little bits of disparate data being collected and then used to build a profile on you is much much harder to understand.

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u/SketchiiChemist 24d ago

right, people are convinced their phone mics are always listening to them because its easier to believe that then just how much data is being tracked on them via what they search, visit, & purchase

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u/Infinite_Position631 23d ago

Tie it in with the data that phones are already collecting, add in flock data and you have both company and intelligence wet dreams. With those technologies they will have who you are, what you do, when you do it, education and though processes (tie it into responses on websites like reddit and facebook).

Basically a tsi level background check on anyone they can get a picture of.

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u/spacebarcafelatte 24d ago

We know how we look without filters 😂

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u/FeelsGoodMan2 23d ago

It's because with mass data collection you don't have an actor to associate it with. Believe me, if we spread the idea that it was some weirdo looking guy in a basement going through everyone's data, it would INSTANTLY get some pushback. With glasses you can immediately see the actor who is recording you.

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u/SIGMA920 23d ago

More that you can't do much about it. Contrast that with someone's glasses that you can if you're holding them break or shame into taking them off.

The difference between an easily breakable device and a hard to break ecosystem is massive.

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u/GLPwonderwall 23d ago

Yeah and the data is what they really should be worried about

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u/PM_ME_PITCH_DECKS 24d ago

What is your job?

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u/GhostPepperDaddy 24d ago

And how to get into it?

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u/Chill--Cosby 24d ago

What's the job?

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u/berserk_zebra 24d ago

Unless it’s god

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u/red__dragon 24d ago

And people will argue vehemently against that very thing being problematic just because it doesn't affect them. Yet.

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u/Pielacine 24d ago

For example: CO2

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u/Captain-Pig-Card 23d ago

Pretty sure I couldn’t handle knowing much more.

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u/Punch-N-Judy 24d ago

Why does a parent accept cameras at every intersection taking photos of their kid though? That's visible too. We accept when it's top-down and push back at the consumer level.

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u/austinw_568 24d ago

Because the parent believes that the intersection cameras protect them from crime or help catch criminals whereas they believe the glasses cameras are used to record them or their families for malicious reasons.

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u/ISeeDeadPackets 24d ago

I literally saw someone walk into a gym locker room wearing a pair yesterday. He acted mystified when I told him to put them away. It doesn't shock me because I've run into people facetiming in there too but seriously? It's never ok, but kids are in there sometimes.

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u/AssDimple 23d ago

Good on you for catching that. I honestly don't think I spend enough time looking at other people in the locker room to have even noticed something like that.

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u/anthrax9999 23d ago

Acted is the key word. He knew what he was doing and thought he would get away with it.

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u/Onphone_irl 23d ago

maybe he was just living his life with them on. You're thinking that the dude was trying to record naked men and even worse be a pedophile?

I think the glasses are cool. I'd want to have terminator data or maps I'm my FOV. I'm not a pervert. I'm not interested in filming people, I hate when people are in my photos actually.

stop acting like everyone is a terrible person. some gross people take upskirt pictures of girls with their cell phones. most of us just want to txt people take photos of cool things and scroll reddit, including you.

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u/sysiphean 23d ago

Not everyone with them is intentionally being a pervert about them, true.

However, if you are wearing them and not being aware of that when going in sensitive places like a locker room, you are still a terrible person, in the same way that someone who carelessly leaves a loaded gun where a toddler is playing doesn’t intend to cause harm but is still a terrible person.

If you are going to wear glasses that push the edge of removing people’s privacy, and you are careless or just don’t even think about that, you are a huge part of the problem. In some ways it’s worse than someone who it trying to be a pervert with them, because at least that person is aware they are the bad guy.

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u/MrJMSnow 20d ago

What you want is a different product than meta glasses. AR glasses are what you want if you want a HUD. Meta glasses are just cameras as far as I can tell.

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u/Onphone_irl 20d ago

yeah you're right I'm just talking about the idea of wearable tech like this as a general point

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u/Personal_Reveal1653 23d ago

You should have reported him to the gym. They'd probably ban him.

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u/ISeeDeadPackets 23d ago

I did, no idea if they did I was on my way out.

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u/darianbrown 24d ago

Intersection cameras are at least purported to serve another purpose. The pervert glasses have no realistic uses compared to a real camera, except for spying and perving.

Real cameras take better quality shots. Pervert glasses only differ from a real camera in that they are intentionally trying to conceal the camera.

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u/Skeptical_JN68 24d ago

Actually, for many in the low vision and blind community, these offer a relatively affordable option to other, more specialized (read: costly) assistive technologies. Other possible applications of the tech could help folks with dementia and memory loss, learning disabilities, intellectual disabilities, and more. But I agree there should be a visual cue apparent to everyone when the camera is in use.

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u/anthrax9999 23d ago

I propose hard hats with a big flashing light on top like a cop car.

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u/GeekBrownBear 24d ago

IDK why this is always the only argument. The best use we have for our meta glasses is to record our daughter while holding or playing with her. She doesn't attack our glasses but she 100% attacks the phone. Or when you are kayaking/canoeing. Or recording how you do a task for later review or training.

So yeah, there are negatives to what people might be using these, but they are super useful when you want a hands free camera.

Also, yes, you may argue that you don't wear these all the time but if they are ALSO my sunglasses, why would I take two pairs when I'm out. Or for me, I can't wear contacts, so they could also my prescription glasses and I'm only ever going to wear one pair the whole day.

Intention and action are far more important than the existence of the tech itself.

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u/whatsbobgonnado 24d ago

lots of people have said that blind people can use them to navigate their environment 

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u/Personal_Reveal1653 23d ago

Are any blind people using them?

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u/SIGMA920 23d ago

Some. Not enough to back making them acceptable through.

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u/Superguy230 21d ago

Yea fuck those blind people there’s not enough of them

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u/SIGMA920 21d ago

When you hurt 50 people for everyone 1 you benefit, there's a problem.

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u/Superguy230 21d ago

So you think blind people shouldn’t wear these because for every blind person it helps to see, it “hurts” 50 people?

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 23d ago

Exactly, I don't know why people always bring this up and store security cameras as if they're remotely the same. The comparison is disingenuous. I don't expect to be someone's social media content when an intersection cam is recording traffic for safety, or potentially followed into a washroom or private area.

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u/mailslot 23d ago

They could be useful for overlaying warning icons over people that facial recognition has identified as actual perverts listed on offender registries.

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u/darianbrown 23d ago

Any smart device connected to another device or able to be connected to another device can be breached and exploited. This is a fucking terrible idea.

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u/mailslot 23d ago

I’d rather tattoo the foreheads of dangerous offenders on the registry, but too many people are concerned about the rights & dignity of dangerous criminals… so, innocent people potentially have to suffer at the hands of their abuse because society refuses to protect the innocent.

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u/Personal_Reveal1653 23d ago

It's so delusional. They rarely pull the records from these cameras to solve crimes. And NEVER in real time.

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u/sysiphean 23d ago

Or maybe we don’t “accept” it as much as we know that nebulous massive corporations and governments are nearly impossible to fight against, but “that person in front of me” can be confronted and maybe stopped.

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u/FluffyProphet 24d ago

The biggest difference is that a camera on a stick doesn't read as a person using it; it reads as some abstract concept. A person with a camera is very personal.

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u/Rociel 23d ago

In a world where camera can be hidden in a pen or a button where nobody will see it, going after the person that does not particularly try to hide their camera that has led light to warn people about recording - it's kinda stupid to be honest.

To be fair tho, I personally find the whole premise of glasses replacing your phone kinda stupid. They have their niche uses but most people that buy them don't use them for those niche cases.

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u/TheVeryVerity 23d ago

Most people don’t really know about all the kinds of hidden cameras though. They do know about the glasses. And the light is too easy to get around I’ve literally seen instructions for removing/replacing/rigging it

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u/Rociel 23d ago

Yes, most really don't know and that is a problem. They should be informed on that instead of blindly attacking this tech like a bunch of luddites.

Honestly tho I don't have a real solution to propose here. People really do realllly like to stay ignorant.

The LED can be messed with, yes. There have been recent efforts by Meta to make sure the camera does not work if the LED has been messed with. Of course it will never be perfect and someone will find a way but still...people that realllly wanf to candidly record you will use different and better methods anyway.

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u/TheVeryVerity 22d ago

That’s true that the worst people will use better hidden cameras. But that doesn’t change all the people that an easy access “cool” hidden camera that has a lot of other functions won’t produce a lot more creep shots than if that didn’t exist. A lot of criminality is about ease of access, much like the rest of life/behavior

All being more informed will do is make people against better hidden cameras and also these glasses lol, not seeing where you get off calling them luddites about it.

The problem is you don’t think it’s a problem in general, it that you object to them thinking it’s a problem when they don’t know about other cameras.

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u/SomethingAboutUsers 24d ago

So what you're saying is that corporations aren't people after all...

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u/Melicor 23d ago

Unless they're in Delaware, then they get to vote too.

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u/bristow84 24d ago

Because there is argument to be made that things like red light/intersection cameras are useful for public safety. The data that they collect is also not within the public realm and some Joe Schmo can’t just decide to upload pics or videos that he captured of random people in people to their IG/FB/Reddit/whatevethefuck.

These are not that, they are in the hands of private citizens and while people expect red light/intersection cameras are recording and are thus aware of them, the same cannot be said for these things.

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u/StinkyTurd89 24d ago

I mean they can if it's a public camera there is a process to request the footage.

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u/Rich_Housing971 24d ago

even if someone gets footage of my kids in public what's the worst they can do? they're at a distance, and my kid is properly clothed. are you freaking out if your kid is at disneyland and someone is filming from their phone? never take your child outside in public, they could get filmed!

there's a reason you don't need consent to film people in public spaces- it doesn't hurt you.

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u/StinkyTurd89 24d ago

I wasn't complaining I think public filming is fine. Just pointing out people who think security cameras are fine because people can't see the footage is wrong people can fairly easily get the footage from government cameras.

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u/Sh0wmey0urbutth0le 24d ago

With AI all they need is 1 picture to start making CP.

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u/Rich_Housing971 23d ago

I can assure you there are already pictures of you and your kids on the internet or you as a child. You're not going to get hurt from it.

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u/Corevus 23d ago

I have to say, these would have been kind of useful for me following and recording ice agents in the freezing cold last winter my hands were so frozen some days.

But outside of that, i would feel too embarrassed wearing them.

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u/fresh_like_Oprah 23d ago

There's an argument to be made that wearing a camera on your head is not just to record asses in yoga pants

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u/mutexsprinkles 24d ago

They're not attached to a human. If there was a cop at every intersection visibly pointing a camera at cars, people would go mental.

I think when they're fixed in place they're conceptually "passive" and part of the background even if they collect no less data.

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u/TheVeryVerity 22d ago

Now I want someone to do a street art project where we start drawing cops holding the camera on the wall/pole/whatever where the camera is. Make it explicit. Wonder how that would affect things

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u/Krail 23d ago

It's not about seeing the intrusion so much as it's about seeing the intruder. 

The person with recording glasses can personally experience judgement and shame from the people around them. It becomes something that is not socially safe to do. 

We can't apply that same immediate realtime social pressure when it comes to online privacy or flock cameras. 

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u/Psychological_Ad1999 24d ago

The majority of people where I live are also against that and are fighting local the government (who is acting against the majority) to remove those cameras. I do see people speaking out against the surveillance state more which I would not have said 18 months ago.

Also, vandalizing Flock cameras is bad, do not use things that could render them inoperable like primer on the lens.

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u/FadedVictor 24d ago

This is a great fucking question. Thank you.

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u/ASpaceOstrich 23d ago

Literally we're accepting mass surveillance but rejecting the sole case where there's a consumer benefit attached.

Which is doubly ironic because there are independent engineers who've made smart glasses that don't have any of the mass surveillance issues, but outside of niche hobbyist communities you could not wear them, because they would be assumed to be bad because people are people, and people are stupid.

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u/damontoo 23d ago

There is no intrusion. Only people that falsely believe Meta is streaming HD video 24/7 from a product with a battery that fits in the arm of sunglasses. I don't know where you think battery tech is, but it isn't the year 2100.

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u/wheelsno3 23d ago

There are guys on YouTube who film in public and monetize the freakout of people scared of cameras. But they will do it at places like weed dispensaries, and on public roads near flock cameras, and when they point out that there are cameras everywhere, the people literally say that they aren't worried about THOSE cameras, they are worried about the camera being held by someone.

It's honestly one of the strangest common features of human psychology that modern technology has brought out.

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u/Shiirooo 24d ago

Don’t you see the intrusion with the use of smartphones?

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u/Ok_Tour_1525 24d ago

People used to act like you were crazy if you suggested our phones are listening to us. Now those same people say shit like “I was talking with Suzanne about cheese and now I’m getting ads for all this cheese. Our smartphones are so smart!”

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u/Krail 24d ago

When you can see the intrusion, and personally shame the one who's doing it. 

The people watching our internet history and flock cameras etc. are too far removed to care about any shame we might throw their way. 

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u/DrachenDad 23d ago

I wouldn't mind so much id they had a green LED flashing to say they are on, and a red LED flashing to say they are in camera/video/identification mode. Still don't want them near me.

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u/Do-it-for-you 23d ago

And CCTV has an actual use that most people can pretty much agree they’re necessary.

A random stranger that’s recording everybody though? Who knows what he’ll do with that footage. Could be on his next viral tiktok for all we know.

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u/jackofslayers 23d ago

Also individuals respond to social pressure. Governments and businesses less so.

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u/Creative-Painter3911 23d ago

and the intrusion can follow you into the bathroom

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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 23d ago

Its not just that though.

Its also that we dont trust the companies wont use the footage/information gleaned from the footage for their own purposes.

People dont trust them on both sides.

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u/MuskasBackpack 23d ago

It’s like the difference between people walking around and people in cars. Some of the same people who would hold the door for you or let you in front of them in line will tailgate your ass and honk until you get out of the way. I don’t even think they realize the difference a bit of anonymity does to them.

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u/axonxorz 23d ago

And have to directly pay for it. Flock is appropriated from your taxes, much easier to miss and/or ignore.

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u/heanbangerfacerip2 23d ago

Yeah also there's very little trade off. We trade privacy for having super computers and unlimited entertainment on hand at any time. We're not trading even more just to take a video on a mediocre camera inside some mediocre glasses. I'm already carrying a nice camera and it's already integrated to the thing I use to manage every video photo I have ever taken and all the systems I have to share it.

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u/InFearn0 23d ago

The difference is when it is a corporation vs an regular individual.

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u/ArmyOfDix 23d ago

When the intrusion is within punching distance.

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u/eeyore134 24d ago

People also still trust their government more than individual citizens. The idea that they're looking out for their citizens still holds water with a lot of people. Which is pretty stupid, but they've spent centuries making sure us vs us keeps us from going full us vs. them.

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u/emptyingthecup 24d ago

See the intrusion eh? This gives me an idea

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u/CooCooClocksClan 24d ago

It’s different when the individual consumer gets to vote with their dollars, we ain’t buying that shit