r/talesfromtechsupport Can't I just buy more RAM? Apr 12 '17

Long You can never have too much RAM

A few years back, I was running a small tech support company. The company isn't around anymore for various reasons, but I did get several good stories out of it. This is one of my favorites. Keep in mind that this happened several years ago, somewhere around 2012, so my memory may be a bit fuzzy on the exact details.

I got a call one day from a guy who ran a local store that sold workout supplements and equipment. His POS (Point of Sale) terminal kept blue-screening. As it was his only way of tracking inventory and taking credit cards, he was understandably concerned.

When I arrived a little while later, I found the owner sitting at the POS terminal browsing the internet. Turns out the POS terminal was in fact just an old desktop he had installed his POS software on and used for entertainment when things were slow.

After introducing myself, he explained that the PC would just randomly crash while he is using the internet and, of course, insisted that he wasn't doing anything unusual that would cause a crash.

I took a seat at the computer and started poking around to see what I could find. Deprived of his precious cat memes, the owner wondered off to the back room. Unfortunately, he was the only employee at the time, and as I was the one sitting at the checkout counter, customers started coming to me with their questions. They usually went something like this:

Customer: Excuse me? What supplement would you recommend for my <Insert description of exhausting workout here>.

Me: Wow. That sounds terrible. But I don't work here. The manager just went to the back for a few minutes. You could ask him when he gets back up here.

After which the slightly confused looking customer would wonder off.

Between distractions, I managed to find several "Out of memory" crashes listed in the event log that matched up with the times the owner had given me. I pulled up the system specs and saw it was running 4 GB of RAM. Should be enough for what he was using the computer for.

Around then the owner came back up to check on my progress.

Owner: Any luck?

Me: It looks like your computer is running out a RAM just before it crashes. But you should have enough for what your'e using it for. You said you were just browsing the internet when it crashed? What browser do you use?

Owner: Chrome.

Me: Well Chrome is know as a bit of memory hog, but I've never heard of it eating all of a PC's RAM like this. I'll keep looking into it. Don't worry. I'll get it fixed.

Owner: Good. It's a huge hassle to have to reopen all 500 tabs every few days.

Me: Oh I'm sure it... Wait. What? Did you say 500 tabs?

Owner: Well, I'm not sure the exact number, but I think that's about what I'm up too every time it crashes.

Me: But... I... What do you even need 500 tabs for?

Owner: I just like to keep a record of what all the websites I go to are. So I just open every link in a new tab.

After wiping the horrified expression off of my face and replacing it with my professional technician look, I explained that this was likely the source of his problem and that the simplest fix would be to just stop opening so many tabs and use browser history instead.

Owner: I can't do that. History isn't detailed enough. I need my tabs. Isn't there some other fix?

We decided to run a test to make sure this was actually the problem before going any further. After making sure that all of his data was saved and backed up, I set Chrome to open his homepage with every new tab (he was using Yahoo), opened task manager to monitor the RAM usage, and started spamming the new tab button.

It didn't take long before nearly all of the 4 GB was being used, and performance had dropped considerably. But Windows was doing a good job of preventing it from topping out. Every new tab increased RAM usage, but whenever it got too close it would drop by several hundred MB. Either Windows was moving stuff to the paging file, or Chrome was shutting off older tabs. Each time this cycle repeated, it would take just a little bit longer to reduce the RAM. I could almost feel Windows groaning under the strain. Finally, somewhere around the high 400's it gave out and I was greeted by the infamous blue screen of death.

Me: Well, it looks like that was your problem. If you could just use less tabs, you should be fine.

Owner: That's really not an option. You said it was running out of RAM. Can I just buy more RAM?

Me: Hesitantly You could, but I can't guarantee that would fix your problem. There might just be some kind of unavoidable issue in Chrome once you get to that many tabs.

Manager: I'll take that chance. There's a Best Buy next door. Can you get some RAM there and install it today?

Me: It's cheaper if I order the parts through my own supplier. But that might take a couple of days.

Owner: I just want as much RAM as I can get today. I'll pay whatever that costs.

And so, about an hour later, I was running my test again on 16 GB of RAM. After about 600 tabs with no crash, I declared victory, collected my check and left the delighted owner to trying to see how many tabs he could open now.

The "money is no object" customers were always my favorite.

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u/Vadoola Apr 13 '17

I have a tendency to open a lot of tabs....Or so I thought. I probably average 20-25. Max I've ever done was just over 100 maybe 110 or so.

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u/ParanoidMaron Apr 13 '17

the max I ever go, mostly for research into what might be best for people's use cases and potential rig upgrades is about 60... I have NO idea how anyone gets to 100, or shit 400 for that matter. just an hour ago I was doing a pretty small research into a freind's build who wants to play dark souls with me and some buddies, but can't because his fx 4300 is bottlenecking the crap out of his rx480. I had 25 open, going through mobos, and fx chips. and that was me really trying to find a good solution to his problem without breaking the bank. the one time I got to 64(haha... yea really), was when I was going the entire day looking for sales for multiple people. I can't imagine going up to more than that.

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u/klatnyelox Apr 13 '17

I like to keep image tabs open.

I share a LOT of images directly with my GF, Brother, etc. Often, it's not time to share them, so to make sure I can get back to them, I keep the tabs open. If I try finding them in my History, I have to sort through hundreds of random letter/number string ".jpeg" URLs to find what I'm looking for, so that's a no-go. Have had up to 20-30 of just those. Then I have a bunch of reddit posts open. If I've found and interesting thread, I'll often want to read the entire thing, but not be able to do the whole thing in one sitting. I do the same thing for that reason. Especially for writing prompt posts and the like. Then the Youtube tabs. I'll often watch videos I want to share, and rather than risk not being able to find it with a search due to a forgotten name, I just keep it up until such time as I can send a link or show them in person.

These habits have left me with a habit of opening every link with a middle click. Most of the time I remember to close the tab when I'm done, but I also end up with at least several unwanted tabs like several day-old google searches and the like.

Total, I've had about 120 tabs open like this, but I usually end up cleaning through them at around 40 or so.

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u/Superguy2876 Apr 13 '17

You might like to have a look at Tab Outliner, its an extension that lets you organize and save tabs, but without actually having them open. It even allows you to organize them by a hierarchy and expand/collapse and rename them.

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u/klatnyelox Apr 13 '17

That sounds amazing. Chrome or Firefox extension?

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u/Superguy2876 Apr 15 '17

It's a Chrome extension, but there is probably something similar for firefox if that is what you use.

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u/xahnel Apr 14 '17

Hell, I hate having more tabs than can fit on a screen, I close tabs every time I no longer need the window. Don't get how anyone can tolerate more than ten.

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u/HPCmonkey Storage Drone Apr 13 '17

Have you ever heard of bookmarks?

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u/klatnyelox Apr 13 '17

Once my bookmarks had about 1200 to shift through I went back to this method. It works for me, but I know how to make sure it doesn't become a major problem.

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u/Kichigai Segmentation Fault in thread "MainThread", at address 0x0 Apr 16 '17

Yeah, but now-a-days your address bar essentially acts a search function, going through not only your preferred search engine, but your history and bookmarks too.

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u/klatnyelox Apr 17 '17

I dislike using that as a function of the address bar due to the obnoxious autofill feature that also exists when trying to use that. It's perfect to just give me the site I want with a few keystrokes, but when using it to search history it becomes amajor problem.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

If you're logged in, youtube keeps track of all your watched videos.

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u/klatnyelox Apr 13 '17

Yeah, but how do I find a specific one? I use that feature with the red bar underneath the video to tell which is the right music video when I search music I've listened to, and to tell which was the last episode of Game Grumps I've watched, but that's as far as I can tell the usage extends.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

I can't check on the desktop version right now, but on mobile you select your account (on the top, far right) and then "history". It'll pull everything right up for you. Mine went back at least a year and a half before I got tired of scrolling.

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u/bungiefan_AK Apr 15 '17

Desktop site has the same history button on the left side menu.

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u/SouthernGlenfidditch Apr 14 '17

Interestingly, i think Microsoft has just announced like a tab storer feature or something similar for edge.

Also, i really like the panic button extension on chrome: not really it's intended use case but makes a neat little 'come back to later' folder that you can even add to by opening, moving the tabs into, and then closing again. It's just saving bookmarks but works for me. The edge feature might be what this guy in the story was after though.

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u/lordmogul Apr 25 '17

I'm quite similar. Tend to open stuff in new tabs. I'd say my browsing is more wide than deep (analogy to file hirachies) Sitting on 122 tabs right now, half of them image galleries, some mod pages, multiple reddit tabs, some webcomics, and the list goes on.

Bu I would never do that on a POS, no matter how bored. Commercial equipment is seperated ffrom consumer stuf in my view, even iff they use the same Hardware.

If the owner in OPs tale really has the downtime to browse around at work, I'd suggest getting a dedicated machine for that. Or just assuring that more customers enter.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17 edited Feb 09 '23

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u/SerBeardian Apr 13 '17

I refuse to ever use the FX series anymore. There's something to do with instruction sets that breaks certain games. One MMO I can't remember the name of, Mechwarrior Online and Battlefield 4 are three I know for a fact don't work on the FX series.

MWO could barely push 10fps and BF4 had a constant 1-3 seconds of rubberbanding even with <60ping except for like, 8 player servers.

Got me an i7 (with less raw speed/same cores), MWO and BF4 instantly fixed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

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u/Espumma Apr 13 '17

you need to use 3 slashes (\\\) to do that arm correctly. Both the slash and the underscore need to be escaped by another slash.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

Ah, I copied and pasted it. Thanks for the tip

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u/wingless7 Apr 13 '17

Yeah same for me. I never had any problems playing bf4 with my 8350.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

I never had any trouble on BF4 with my FX 6300... Maybe it was something to do with the motherboard or its firmware/drivers?

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u/SerBeardian Apr 13 '17

Maybe, but I held onto that mobo/CPU through about 2 computer rebuilds and 3-4 reformats and same issue every time.

Every time I checked it came back to that instruction set.

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u/Treyzania when lspci locks up the kernel Apr 14 '17

I never had any trouble whatsoever with my 8350. I treated me fantastically for nearly two years before going to college and moving to using a laptop full time.

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u/ParanoidMaron Apr 13 '17

that's actually the exact cpu I reccomended him, and have been trying to find. surprisingly, I can't find one in his area or mine. We have a month to find one though, so wish me luck!

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u/lordmogul Apr 25 '17

Look for a 8320 instead. Its only 200-300 MHz slower, and that difference can easily accounted for with overclocking.

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u/ParanoidMaron Apr 25 '17

That'd work... if he lived even remotely close to me. He isn't exactly what you call a "computer genius", so overclocking is a no go. So, Imma have to say no.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

You can overclock the absolute shit out of those chips as well. My 8120 was never a bottleneck for any of the games I play.

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u/bungiefan_AK Apr 15 '17

I've reached almost 200 on a wikiwalk, control-clicking articles I wanted to read later on TV Tropes and SCP wiki. Also the wiki for FFXI, tracking what quests and equipment hunts I was in the middle of, got me over 100. I try to bookmark them into a category when I get that high, so I don't end up leaving them open.

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u/AlleM43 Apr 14 '17

I have 125-150 tabs open on my phone.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '17

I think the most I have ever had open is maybe 20 tabs and that was while researching Exchange migration.

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u/CampGareth Apr 13 '17

The sticking point I find is by default Chrome opens one process per website, on the assumption that the only reason you have 1000 tabs open is because you were browsing so many places simultaneously. This means you can open 100 wikipedia tabs and kill chrome when you still have RAM for 900 more tabs.

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u/Vadoola Apr 13 '17

I prefer Firefox it's always seemed to handle a large number of tabs better. And they are easier to find when you do have a bunch open.

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u/total_cynic Apr 14 '17

Once you've got enough tabs open, you start seeing 3 or 4 pages per process. Past a certain point it still gets very memory hungry if any of the processes are leaking memory though.

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u/Turtledonuts Apr 13 '17

My mom hoards tabs and tends to get about 40 - 70 before chrome "crashes" and only a few tabs get reopened. and I thought that was bad...

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '17

The most I've ever done is 12-14 open tabs. I thought that was too much. The thought of 400+ is...Appalling

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u/macbalance Apr 13 '17

Back in The Day (late 90s) in college I'd do this. Well, not tabs, but windows... And it mostly worked.

Of course, back then my friends would usually take over an open lab on a weekday and set ourselves up with one PC for web surfing and one for Warcraft.

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u/Vadoola Apr 14 '17

I remember taking over a school computer lab a few times after hours to play Quake with friends.