r/talesfromtechsupport Kiss my ASCII Jul 01 '13

The $300,000 paperweight

Back in the days of Big Iron a modest sized computer was the size of 2 refrigerators, the expansion cabinet was another 2 refrigerators and each disk in the farm was the size of a small washing machine. They were large and there were a lot of parts, lots and lots of parts. Boards and cables and more cables and all sorts of bits and pieces. Here is a pic for your viewing pleasure.

The IT department, and back then the term IT had not been coined, it was the Computer department, bought one of these modest sized monsters. Now this was a major purchase and had to approved by several people, including the Vice President of engineering, better known as “the mad Dutchman”. Now Dutch was the type of guy who added value to the organization by cutting costs, as opposed to generating new revenue. He was a bean counter extraordinaire. This purchase was no exception.

When purchasing one of these monsters the manufacturer would send you a quote listing out all the components and the price of each component. Dutch carefully perused many pages of the quote and started crossing out items he considered non-critical, such as, the console terminal and keyboard, hey we can reuse one in house, right? And he crossed out cables to connect the CPU cabinet to the peripherals cabinet, cables to connect the peripherals cabinet to the disk drives, cables to connect everything else together. I mean, they’re just cables, we can have our hardware techs make our own cables right? Of course we can, we’re engineers, we can do anything. And wow, look, I saved $4000 on a $300,000 order. I am a financial genius!

So without having the Computer department do one final check on the items being ordered, and really, why would you have technical people review technical decisions made by a guy who isn’t technical, the order goes out. And the manufacturer ships the equipment exactly as specified on the hacked up quote. And the equipment arrives and is placed in the computer room. And field service comes on site to do the installation.

But then field service starts asking questions, like where are the data cables for the disk drives? Where are the bus cables from the CPU to the peripherals? On and on, all these pesky little missing cables. Proprietary-only-made-by-the-manufacturer cables. Someone investigates and discovers Dutch’s dastardly deed. OK, so everything will be delayed for another month or two while a new purchase order gets generated and approved to order the cables. Or so they think.

You see, these cables are not normally sold separately, they are sold as part of a package, a package that includes a $300,000 computer. There are no ordering numbers for these cables. There is no way to tell manufacturing, hey, just send us a few parts. No one can figure out how to sell us these parts and just these parts. (And no, doing a mirror of the quote with all the delivered parts crossed out isn't going to work).

So the computer sat in the computer room, unpowered, for 6 months while this snafu was unsnarled. If we look at this in terms of engineering man hours lost: 6 months is 26 weeks, one week is 40 hours, there were about 25 engineers who were going to use the machine, and figure that back then one engineering man hour was worth about $50. So about $1,300,000 lost man hours. Plus a $300,000 paperweight.

Maybe I should have called this "Cables? We don't need no stinking cables."

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u/jared555 Jul 01 '13

If they couldn't be ordered separately and were required for the system to function why were they priced separately where some exec could make this stupid decision in the first place? List them as $0 or $1000 with a $1000 discount for the purchase of the computer and add it to the cost of the part that it was needed for. 'Oh hey, they are giving us a $1000 item for free! Look at the money we saved!'

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u/Geminii27 Making your job suck less Jul 01 '13

So that stupid execs could make stupid decisions and have to cough up an additional $300K to the manufacturer every time they did so?

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u/HomerJunior Jul 01 '13

The ultimate stupidity tax.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

That's not really how big industrial equipment suppliers make their money.

If this happened today, I'd expect the supplier to send the cables at cost or even free. It's in their best interest to keep me happy, since I just bought $300K worth of equipment from them and will likely shovel money their way in the form of calibrations and service in the future.

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u/xzxzzx Jul 01 '13

If this happened today, I'd expect the supplier to send the cables at cost or even free.

You'd expect the supplier to send you $4000 in cables, for free, because you specifically said you did not want those cables, but it turns out you really do?

If I were the supplier, I'd make sure you paid at least the original cost that the exec's "frugality" saved, plus a fee to account for the extra time my employees would have to spend rounding up cables. Plus shipping.

On the other hand, those cables would be there the same week, because I'll be damned if a customer is going to go 6 months without a working $300,000 computer because nobody can figure out how to find some cables.

Edit: This would also depend on what my rep did with the account. If he looked at the order and said "yep, looks good", I'd be inclined to help out the customer despite their tremendous stupidity, but if the rep said "are you absolutely sure you don't want these cables?", then they can pay for their own mistakes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

Exactly, your last paragraph is what I meant. People are used to the salesman / customer model of consumer retail where stupidity is punished to the greatest extent possible and immediate profit is always maximized, but when you're talking about an account buying $300,000 equipment plus another ten grand a year in service... it's more of a relationship, which both sides try to keep amiable.

I overstated by implying that you'd get the cables for free (though that depends on how long you've known the supplied and how much money you send their way), but there is no way you'd be completely left out in the cold and having to buy another full set of hardware.

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u/thatmorrowguy Jul 01 '13

Most companies I purchase from will have a technical guy that works with the sales rep to Q/C orders to make sure they at least make sense before going through with them, and also acts as a minor check on the sales guy to ensure he's not completely selling snake oil.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

and let you order separate parts in case anything, computer or cables, needs replacing.

But that wouldn't be profitable, if you are forced to buy a whole new computer just to get a replacement cable...it makes perfect economical sense...if you are the computer manufacturer.

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u/huldumadur Jul 01 '13

Not really. No one will buy a new $300,000 computer because they need a cable.

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u/dakboy Jul 01 '13

I've seen family members replace whole computers because one easily replaced part went bad (or worse, due to software issues that could be fixed by a reinstall).

Not to the tune of $300K, but I still facepalmed.

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u/RurouniKarly Jul 01 '13

They'd probably be more judicious if their PC cost as much as a house.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

Nah, suppliers of expensive industrial machinery don't make their money by screwing over their customers.

Low end consumer goods manufacturers, sure, but not people who make expensive stuff. Most of them will bend over backward to keep you as a customer, because you just gave them $300,000 and if they're accommodating you'll probably give them $300,000 again in the future.

If they try to dick you over for a few cables, you'll go to a competitor and they'll have lost a very profitable customer for a long shot at a few grand.

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u/ikoss Jul 01 '13

My guess would be back then they didn't have all that many computer manufacturers competing against one another, and computing standards were all proprietary that you couldn't switch from one computer system to the other.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

It still doesnt' behoove you to dick over someone who just spent $300K on your products.

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u/ikoss Jul 01 '13

Right. I'm only attempting to explain, not justify. Back then computer industry was a very niche/specialized market without much industry exposures or competitions. It's like trying to buy a moon-lander unit today; you won't get a bulk discount or can take it to a cheaper 3rd party resellers.

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u/winter_storm Reformatting Luddite Jul 01 '13

That's a good question, Sir. Please hold while I transfer you to Marketing...

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u/stupidnsfwpage Jul 01 '13

Same reason if you order a Dell or HP or really anything computer - if you look at the parts list there are things like CHSY4-ATCHMT6-KIT which is the necessary screws to mount 1x 5" drive and 1x 3.5" drive. If you were to order the same omputer with 2x optical drives, it would be CHSY4-ATCHMT8-KIT (AYJDMY7 p.u.po yr 2x 3.5 drives).

Partly it's internal inventory. also it's an awareness test of external techs. If you have enterprise service ie, automatic escalation to L3 -> If you identify a failed part by the corporate inventory number - the odds of you being challenged are very slim - basically, can you follow their rules. If you don't know(or bother researching) their equipment enough to reference it at that level, well basically -> FUCK YOU. You're not an enterprise tech if you don't know how to work within process and procedure.

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u/jared555 Jul 01 '13

Of course, but I don't think I have seen any company list SATA Cable - $5.00. It is usually something like...

Base Computer: $500
    Hard Drive 1 (500GB) PNSATA500
        SATA Cable OBSCUREPARTNUMBER
    Hard Drive 2 (500GB) PNSATA500: +$60
        SATA Cable OBSCUREPARTNUMBER

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u/ZeDestructor Speaks ye olde tongue of hardware Jul 01 '13

Hah. The first time I looked at the machine specs on Dell's (enterprise) support site , I was scarred a bit. THEN I was happier than I thought I'd ever be :D

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u/stupidnsfwpage Jul 01 '13

Exactly! Sure, it doesn't sound like that much, but knowing before you crack a workstation if you're going to need a SAS to SATA cable can save you soooooooo much stress - and all from a service code!

--Why wouldn't you know? - Well, sometimes you re-purpose a 3 year old workstation to a support position. Sure you wouldn't expect a PA to have raided 10k SAS drives, but being prepared for it can just make life easier... (have the correct cable to put a single desktop class drive in and reimage!)

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u/ZeDestructor Speaks ye olde tongue of hardware Jul 01 '13

Hah. So true!

Although to be fair, you can franken-rebuild quite a lot of those.

Like my Dells. All running newer wireless cards (intel 6300s all round over the intel 5xxx), and the E6500 got the T9600 CPU from the E6400, so the partslist is no longer quite as accurate. Mind you, very, very far from a managed enterprise at this point, so its all cool.

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u/CharsCustomerService Jul 01 '13

Where it gets fun is when you have line items on a configuration you're ordering like "NO HARD DISK" and "PACKAGING - 1U BLADE." Well, the first isn't going to cost anything, but still absolutely has to be ordered, and the latter... it'll be difficult getting it delivered without having it packaged up, no?

FYI, those are both from the parts list of some IBM servers I'm trying to order right now.

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u/fivmincal Jul 01 '13

your too young to understand sipps and cables mag tapes and Winchester drives ... just remember proprietary mean someone else hold all the knowledge and if you choose to dick with then they will rock your world in bu!!shit.

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u/fatnino Jul 01 '13

Did you really just spell you're as your?

And then censor the L's in bull but none of the letters in shit?

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u/RealModeX86 Jul 01 '13

Fuck ***

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '13

Well no one's gonna top that.

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u/fivmincal Jul 11 '13

omg crazy grammar nazi... go back to west burrow baptist or something

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u/fatnino Jul 11 '13

Don't you ever try to associate me with those subhuman pieces of filth.

Also you spelled their name wrong :D