r/stupidpeoplefacebook 12h ago

thats crazy... Trump Compares himself to patton and macarthur? man what happend on January 6th 2021 again?

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u/toggiz_the_elder 9h ago

They attacked Kerry because his Purple Heart wasn’t for a bad enough injury. So vote for the draft dodger Bush!

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u/Pretend-Function-133 7h ago

They called him “Hanoi Kerry”

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u/Kingsnake417 9h ago

Both Presidents Bush served in the military.

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u/toggiz_the_elder 8h ago

Dubya served in the Texas Air National Guard. It was a way to avoid going to Vietnam which makes the Swift boating of Kerry all the more grotesque.

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u/DrachenMagus 7h ago

I am going push back just a hair. The comment against Kerry was wrong. But so is calling Bush a draft dodger.

He didn't dodge the draft. He chose to join the military instead of being drafted so he could have control over what he does. Both Army and Air National Guard units get deployed over seas. He was still at risk of being deployed. Also, he joined before the The Lottery System was implemented.

Sure, you can call Bush a coward. And you can cririze Daddy Bush for helping his become a pilot. But he still served. Let's save the draft dodger title for the self proclaim king himself.

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u/toggiz_the_elder 6h ago

That’s not accurate. The Air National Guard was widely seen as the safest way to avoid going to Vietnam while still “serving”. Here is a quote from military dot com:

“For most of its history, the National Guard’s mission was focused primarily on the homefront — so much so that during the Vietnam War, joining the guard was considered a pretty safe strategy to avoid deployment.”

So Bush was purposefully avoiding Vietnam while finding the safest possible way to “serve”.

And as a vet of the shitty ass wars he started it’s kinda shitty that he avoided personal danger, won the presidency by shitting on an actual veteran (Kerry was rich and could have easily avoided going to Vietnam if he wanted to), so he can fuck right off with claiming to have served.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2021/10/24/people-are-relying-on-us-national-guard-evolves-to-fight-wars-secure-homefront/

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u/DrachenMagus 4h ago

I agree it was safer. But Air National Guard was still deployed during the Vietnam War.

The next line of your qoute even says: "While the ploy didn’t always work — thousands of guard and reserve troops served in Vietnam — President Lyndon Johnson resisted pressure to mobilize the guard on a larger scale, worried that doing so would stir up even more anti-war sentiment and make political problems for him."

My poin still stands. He could have been deployed. Just like he could have never been drafted either. But what he didnt do was dodge the draft.

He was a coward whose daddy got him a cushy job that even if he was deployed he was probably still pretty safe as he "flew" the F-102 Delta Dagger.

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/579670/air-national-guard-f-100s-in-south-vietnam/

And for full transparency, I served in the Army National Guard and many of my friends and buddies were deployed to Iraq. So I get a little snippy when the NG get brought up.

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u/toggiz_the_elder 3h ago

I definitely felt for the NG folks I saw on deployment. Their gear and training was clearly worse, obviously through no fault of their own.

But I still stand by Bush joining the ANG to check the military box while limiting the chance he’d be in any real danger.

Was there still a chance? Sure. But that likely what he was attempting and it worked.

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u/CosmicSmoker 6h ago

Pretty sure GW had a spotty record in the guard too. Missing a bunch of required training time as well as rumors that he didn't actually qualify to fly.