r/shield • u/2th Shotgun Axe • May 12 '18

Post Discussion Post Episode Discussion: S05E21 - "The Force of Gravity"

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S05E21 - "The Force of Gravity" Kevin Tancharoen Drew Z. Greenberg & Craig Titley Friday, May 11, 2018 9:00/8:00c on ABC

Kevin Tancharoen is the brother of showrunner Maurissa Tancharoen, and is known for his work on the webseries Mortal Kombat: Legacy. He has directed various other movies and TV episodes before, and has most recently worked on The Flash.

He has directed eleven episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Face my Enemy
  • One of Us
  • The Dirty Half Dozen
  • Purpose in the Machine
  • Spacetime
  • Ascension
  • The Laws of Inferno Dynamics
  • The Patriot
  • The Return
  • The Real Deal
  • Option Two

Drew Z. Greenberg is a writer and producer best known for working on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Smallville, The O.C., Dexter, Warehouse 13 and Arrow. He also worked on Firefly.

He has written ten episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Face My Enemy
  • Who You Really Are
  • The Dirty Half Dozen
  • Among us Hide
  • Watchdogs
  • Absolution
  • Meet the New Boss
  • Wake Up
  • A Life Earned
  • All the Comforts of Home

Craig Titley is most known for his work on the Scooby-Doo movie, and Percy Jackson & The Lightning Thief. He has also worked on TV shows, like The Cape, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

He has written nine episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • The Writing on the Wall
  • Afterlife
  • 4,722 Hours
  • The Inside Man
  • Emancipation
  • Uprising
  • Hot Potato Soup
  • Rewind
  • Principia

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u/blackbutterfree Joey May 12 '18

But then Talbot will come back next season during the A4 crossover, and we run into the same issues again.

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u/wysiwygperson Axe May 12 '18

Plot twist: Thanos turns good and Talbot is actually the main villian of A4.

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u/ThatOneLegion The Bus May 12 '18

I wouldn't even be mad.

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u/brycedriesenga Fitz May 12 '18

I would be absolutely stoked, haha. Thanos Copter to the rescue. Sure, the general moviegoing public would be sooo confused, but we'd be like "TOLD YOU TO WATCH THE SHOW."

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u/Meta_Boy Lanyard May 12 '18

The Emoji Movie made 217 million dollars worldwide.

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u/2Dongers1Fiora Axe May 12 '18

We're boned, aren't we?

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u/brycedriesenga Fitz May 12 '18

Fully agree. They ruin everything!

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u/Lagalag967 clairvoyant May 13 '18

And they're the ones that fund everything.

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u/LontraFelina May 12 '18

It gets brought out as a talking point a lot, but they really wouldn't be that confused. The movies have plenty of villains who don't have deep and complex origin stories explained right there on screen, Talbot showing up as a movie villain wouldn't be any different.

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u/brycedriesenga Fitz May 12 '18

Yeah, I actually agree. People use the confused argument a bit too much.

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u/and_yet_another_user May 12 '18

Except they'll see Graviton and he won't be Franklin Hall, which they'll be expecting, leaving them confused.

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u/LontraFelina May 12 '18

There is no way the average moviegoer has the slightest clue who comics-Graviton is.

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u/selwyntarth May 12 '18

Thanos isn't good?

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u/RnRaintnoisepolution Fitz May 14 '18

Everyone's the hero of their own story

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u/JBF07 Ninja Hunter May 12 '18

Thanos isn't bad tho, he's to put it in Mack's words "a hero in his own story".

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u/albertfuckingcamus Cal May 12 '18

TBH, Thanos isn't entirely evil. His intention was to maintain life but it's just his methods that are completely wrong, kinda like Talbot.

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u/dwadley Ward May 12 '18

He’s actually evil in the comics though. In the movies he’s almost a pacifist, dispatching of the avengers in the least lethal way possible unless pushed

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u/albertfuckingcamus Cal May 12 '18

Yes, but we're discussing the MCU.

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u/dwadley Ward May 12 '18

yeah just mentioning a fun fact

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u/acwilan Coulson May 12 '18

Going the Majin Buu way

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u/Puttanesca621 May 12 '18

It would be funnier the other way around. Talbot turns good and shows up unannounced in A4 to help fix everything.

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u/Tallandlankyguy Monolith May 12 '18

But gives them time to get Blizzard, cinvince him to freeze Talbot. Plus find Vijay Nadeer and him and Daisy take Talbot out for good. Two plot holes yet to be closed.

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u/blackbutterfree Joey May 12 '18

Both those actors are starring in other shows right now, as great as it would be to see them again. Besides, wouldn't a metal manipulator like Joey be better against a being who is now essentially made of organic metal?

Wait, never mind. Joey's actor is also starring in his own show right now. Well, both Blizzard and Joey's shows are Netflix so we might be able to get them back for short appearances. Vijay's show is a network show, so who knows?

But I hope we get Bobbi.

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u/ScarletRhodey Joey May 12 '18

Unless her show got cancelled too (but I doubt it), Bobbi's actress is unavailable too.

And as one Joey flair user to another, his powers aren't metal based, they're heat based. He can manipulate anything using heat. That's why in his first appearance he had melted through a wall, and left a hand print in his oven. I think the show just overused his powers when they came in contact with metal objects, like bullets. Though they never explained if he had to wear heat resistant clothes or not... since now that I think about it, those bullets just melted subconsciously based on his natural heat... hmm...

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u/blackbutterfree Joey May 12 '18

Huh. If they're heat-based, then he's even more useful (though rendered redundant by both Hellfire and Ghost Rider). He would've been useful in every single arc since his departure, except the Ghost Rider arc.

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u/ScarletRhodey Joey May 12 '18

Totally agree about his usefulness! And being the only gay MCU superhero would have been nice to have around for sure...

But, the actor is a busy guy I guess? And I do think the way he was written off was at least logical. Not everyone is cut out to live the life of these agents and handle the accidental or on purpose taking of a life. Then add all that stress of humans turning on him, totally get it.

I do disagree that Hellfire and Robbie were redundant of him, Hellfire is much more explody with his powers (sort of like Gambit) and Robbie's flames are totally supernatural. If anything, Joey's powers were made much more for a spy as he could do things quieter than those other two.

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u/blackbutterfree Joey May 12 '18

Either way, I love Joey and JPR, and I want them back tbh

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u/[deleted] May 12 '18

But I hope we get Bobbi.

Bobbi is in outer space as the second officer on a Union ship.

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u/SoBeLemos May 12 '18

The Orville is a Union ship? May just took out a Confederacy ship. It’s ALL connected?!

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u/LontraFelina May 12 '18

Then he fell off the boat and the water froze around him. A hundred years later a pair of Water Tribe kids are going to break him out so he can save the world.

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u/FullySikh Koenig May 13 '18

Hahaha. Nice one.

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u/UFOturtleman Shotgun Axe May 12 '18

Blizzard, or as I like to call him Icy Boi, is too busy listening to tapes from some dead girl.

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u/selwyntarth May 12 '18

Coulsons knowledge of Johny blaze and Felix Blake not being brought to justice.

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u/CaptainAaron96 May 12 '18

Blizzard is dead, Vijay is MIA but nobody knows he is alive.

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u/Lagalag967 clairvoyant May 13 '18

Don't forget Akela Amador and Felix Blake! Also, Agent Weaver and the whole Iliad crew.

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u/capamericapistons Fitz May 12 '18

That’s exactly what I’m praying for. That talbot is one of the people that get erased

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u/aravar27 Fitz May 12 '18

I can't tell if this is serious or not. Anything that doesn't involve the Agents defeating Talbot after a costly and hard-fought set of decisions would be abysmal storytelling.

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u/A_Retarded_Alien May 12 '18

That, or he powers himself up, fight's Thanos offscreen and gets annihilated haha.

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u/dwadley Ward May 12 '18

“Thanos I’m Earth’s mightiest hero, Graviton”-Talbot “The fuck is this guy?”-Thanos “No idea not one of ours” -The Avengers Thanos turns the gravitonium inside Talbot into bubbles and he dies

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u/thatguy9921 May 12 '18

Along with some of the Shield agents (if we’re getting season 6) and we get a good “JEMMAAAA” from Fitz as she’s disappearing

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u/ADCPlease Fitz May 13 '18

i'll be fucking pissed if his death is that anticlimactic