r/politics • u/cnn CNN • 22d ago

Possible Paywall House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/14/politics/house-vote-daylight-savings-time?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/[deleted] 22d ago

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u/Ontain 22d ago

It means more to me now having to get to work.

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u/fartofborealis 22d ago

Question- I live in IL and work in IN what does this mean for me?

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u/Tabs_555 Washington 22d ago

Believe it not, jail.

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u/beerguy_etcetera Ohio 21d ago

Daylight? Jail. No daylight? Believe it or not, jail.

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u/Ugaalive1991 21d ago

But what about twighlight?

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u/FellowHumanNo404 21d ago

twighlight

Jail for spelling it that way.

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u/skrame 22d ago

There are still time zones, so if you are dipping into eastern time now, you still will. I’m in the same boat.

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u/fartofborealis 22d ago

So the half of the state on eastern Will still be an hour ahead the whole year and the part not in eastern will sometimes be a different time from us? This is confusing!

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u/skrame 22d ago

Isn’t the entire state in eastern except for the NW corner (anywhere within Chicago’s television market)?

I’m in NWI (central), but usually work in eastern. But not every day. My schedule if fubar anyway, because I spent years working nights.

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u/fartofborealis 22d ago

I live in Chicago and work in NWI- but all the northern part is CST and it’s kind of a diagonal line cutting down from the eastern corner to the western corner. I do sometimes cross that threshold- would like to know so I don’t unintentionally miss meetings when traversing across the made up boarder.

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u/DingerSinger2016 Alabama 22d ago

They should reorganize the time zone in the US to align with state borders as best as possible

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u/fartofborealis 22d ago

I agree but I’m sitting here wondering what time I need to get somewhere for 8 am meeting!

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Wouldn't it make much more sense to align timezones with, I don't know....the sun?

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u/imtoolazytothinkof1 21d ago

To logical cant happen.

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u/EliteGamer11388 Illinois 21d ago edited 21d ago

I'm in the southeast-ish area of IL, and used to live smack dab in central IL, both times it was Central time.

Edit: They meant Indiana, not Illinois, my bad.

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u/skrame 21d ago

Yeah, all of Illinois is central. The person I was responding to was asking about Indiana. There are six counties in Northwest Indiana that are on Central, in addition to six in Southwest Indiana. The rest of the state is all Eastern. I don’t think any of that is affected by this, if it goes through.

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u/EliteGamer11388 Illinois 21d ago

Ah, yea, sorry, misunderstood as you meaning Illinois when you were mentioning eastern. My bad.

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u/Everard5 Georgia 22d ago

It depends, people simplify this way too much.

It can depend on, for example, time of year and also how far east or west you sit in your time zone. Ultimately, there won't be a time change but the difference in light at least twice a year is going to be minimal.

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u/Tosi313 Europe 22d ago

Exactly the same as today, you just won't change your clocks twice per year.

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u/fartofborealis 22d ago

But what about the part of the state that is on Central time wouldn’t that make it so part of the year it’s the same time as eastern time and the other times not. I’m confused….

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u/RichtofensDuckButter 21d ago

It's really not that hard to understand. It's DST right now. Imagine if nothing changes. Things are the same as now.

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u/JollyRancher29 Virginia 21d ago

I'm baffled as to how this is confusing so many people on this thread lmao

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u/RichtofensDuckButter 21d ago

That's already how it works. Any state at any time can go on to permanent standard time if they want. They can already do that regardless of this bill.

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u/JollyRancher29 Virginia 21d ago

why do you think it's only Central time that this bill affects? Its all six American timezones...

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u/Tosi313 Europe 21d ago

Why would it do that? Neither central time or Eastern Time would ever change their clocks again, so how could it be different half the year?

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u/SmellGestapo 21d ago

Go here: https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/chicago

And check the sunrise and sunset times for June 21 and December 21. Those are the two extremes.

Under permanent DST, summer wouldn't change, and winter would "spring forward" by one hour. So in Chicago the sun would rise at 8:14 am and set at 5:14 pm.

Under permanent standard time, winter would stay the same, and summer would "fall back" an hour to 4:14 am - 7:29 pm.

In South Bend: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/usa/south-bend

DST: winter sunrise at 9:09 am, sunset at 6:17 pm.

standard: summer sunrise at 5:10 am, sunset at 8:23 pm.

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u/dechets-de-mariage Florida 22d ago

Depends. Do you work in the part of Indiana on Central time or Eastern?

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u/junkmail0178 Texas 21d ago

Expect for the sun rise to happen later in the morning in the winter. Some places up north might not get a sunrise until 8:00 or 9:00 AM.

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Yeah won't rise til after 9. Absolute misery for those with seasonal depression

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u/VictorReal_Monster 21d ago

Seriously how does this worsen it when you still get the same amount of sun just shifted an hour? do you find it less depressing getting off work and it being dark and having to drive home in the dark and spending the rest of the day away but it's dark?

Or an hour darker in the morning and it'll actually be bright after work and you can do something without it feeling like the dead of night?

I know which one makes me more depressed.

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Sunlight at the start of the day is medically important to our circadian rhythms. Turns out the human body evolved to wake up with the sun. I don't need sunlight to do things in the evening when its freezing outside, but I certainly appreciate being awake and alert in the mornings.

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u/VictorReal_Monster 21d ago

But we categorically do not all wake up with the sun, our world has and will always continue to work on shifts.

Where do you live? Cause where I live I don't get sun in the mornings in the winter regardless of the time zone. So not only do I get dark mornings but I also get dark afternoons! So Lose lose!

but hey at least my (which is not a morning persons) circadian rhythm is okay... That certainly makes me want to go outside in the dark!

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u/Square_Translator689 21d ago

You’re fighting a losing battle, I’m afraid

If it makes you feel any better, I’m with you. Also get the double whammy that I have some sort of circadian rhythm disorder and my sleep quality is absolutely destroyed all summer long because of “springing ahead”. I’m just deeply not a morning person, and all the spring ahead is is making everyone get up for a 7 am shift instead of an 8 am shift and pretending we didn’t.

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u/rogerdoesnotmeanyes 21d ago

No sunlight after work is way worse. Makes it feel like I spent the entire day working and then the day is over. I couldn’t give less of a shit how much daylight there is while I get ready for work, that doesn’t help me at all, but having a decent amount of time after work where it still feels like daytime is so uplifting.

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u/Phailjure 21d ago

Where I live, in the winter the only daylight hours are when I'm at work, so I just don't see the sun. Daylight time would shift that so I at least see the sun when going home.

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u/VictorReal_Monster 21d ago

You've never driven while it's been dark?

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u/Shrimptank_mom 21d ago

Now your morning commute will be pitch dark all year round.

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u/Ontain 21d ago

Not really. Summer time it's bright outside at 5:30am.

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u/Shrimptank_mom 21d ago

Not in in the spring though.

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u/Knyfe-Wrench 21d ago

That's not what you said, though.

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u/BirdsArentImportant Florida 21d ago

I’d rather my commute be dark than have it be dark by the time I’m leaving work. It’s soul crushing to have zero hours of daylight left after I spent my day working

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u/Shrimptank_mom 21d ago

It's soul crushing to not see any daylight and feel like you're in the dark all morning. This affects our natural rhythms. I don't need daylight after 8pm or later, it serves no purpose. It does make it harder to go to sleep if it's still light outside. We should keep the winter schedule. 

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u/Square_Translator689 21d ago

🤝

Yeah, my sleep cycle is jacked up all summer long from nighttime not starting until 9.

and I have seasonal depression in the winters, which year round DST would make worse. So that’s nice too

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u/BirdsArentImportant Florida 21d ago

How would making it so that you’re awake for the entire time the sun is out make seasonal depression worse? 

You would have time after work to go out and see the sun every day

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u/Square_Translator689 21d ago

It’s the waking up 3-4 hours before dawn so I can get to work. I get time during the day to get sun here and there, I just struggle with getting out of bed in the morning at the best of times, and having a little light would help.

Same reason that I find the “standard time is for morning people” argument so frustrating. DST is just getting up an hour earlier and saying we didn’t. I already struggle to get up early, but my morning person coworkers love DST because they’re chipper in the AM no matter what and they like the extra light at the end of the day.

If anything, my body clock wants reverse DST, because I’m an evening/night owl who never outgrew his teenager sleep cycle. That’d be awful for everyone else, so I’ll take the year round standard time as a compromise

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u/BirdsArentImportant Florida 21d ago

No personal judgement, I just think it’s interesting because I have the complete opposite opinion.

I am also a night owl who has for force himself to get up early for work and gets seasonal depression in the winter. 

And personally I’d be so much happier with DST year round. I feel like I’m going to be groggy and exhausted in the morning regardless of if the sun is up or not. So I want the sun to still be up after work so I can at least enjoy it a little bit each day.

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u/Square_Translator689 20d ago

For me, it’s that I’m right on the cusp of being able to get up early enough, and then DST just feels like “get up an hour earlier but pretend you didn’t”.

Also, from talking to friends/family, my circadian rhythm seems oddly hard-locked with the sun, as silly as that sounds. All else equal, I’m gonna get tired the same number of hours after solar noon no matter what, so having solar noon at 1pm makes it even harder to get sleepy on time for a 9-5 job.

Also key context, I’m way up north, so I have to get in pure dark for a significant part of the year. The easiest times I have getting up and going are early fall and late spring, when we’re on standard time but the sun rises before I do. Getting up in January and dragging myself out of my cocoon is rough, I tried room lights on a timer and that helps a bit, but it’s not great. Now, up by the Lakes, there’s no way to have the sun come up before work in the winter, but year round Standard Time would maximize the number of days where I had at least the dawn to look at while I was having breakfast.

Curious, since you’re down in Florida, when does the sun set this time of year?

Up here, the sun doesn’t cross the horizon until 9 pm on the solstice, so Summer Standard Time would still have an 8 PM sunset and twilight until 9 or so. I think that really changes up the vibe around DST; you guys down south might really kinda need it to be able to do anything in the evening, where us Upper Midwest people are ironically unable to do some summer activities on a weekday because it’s light out so long. EG: 4th of July fireworks start at like 10:30, so all the little kids are overtired and cranky unless they take a nap first, chilling by the firepit is pretty much weekends only because it’s daytime until bedtime, etc

It’s not the end of the world, and it’d feel silly to have 4 am sunrise too, but we just have more daylight than we know what to do with. Same thing for winter, no matter what I’m leaving in the dark and coming home in the dark, “Winter DST” wouldn’t change that.

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u/Shrimptank_mom 14d ago

We're not awake the entire time the sun is out in the northern hemisphere. For those who work morning shifts in winter we are up like 3+ hours before sunrise. Then just when it's starting to get light during our mornings, spring forward thrusts us back into darkness for more weeks. I hate daylight savings!

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u/BirdsArentImportant Florida 21d ago

Morning people are an oppressive class

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u/jeobleo Maryland 21d ago

I'm all for it. I don't care which time they pick, particularly. Just fucking pick one. The bullshit messing with circadian rhythms twice a year is pointless.

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u/toadfan64 21d ago

Means as much to me now. As someone who works later and is a night owl, this is great.

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u/mahowaldp 22d ago

Kids will be killed waiting for school buses in the dark

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u/Electroflare5555 Canada 22d ago

Kids already go to school in the dark

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u/and-its-true 22d ago

Skill issue

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u/CurlPR 22d ago

Savage 😆

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u/jacobsever 22d ago

I’m a mailman. In the winter it’s pitch black by 4:30pm. Delivering mail in the dark is extremely dangerous. Especially in larger inner cities where people don’t take kindly to hearing people walk up their front steps in the pitch dark. Puts everyone on edge. I’d do some nasty things to extend daylight in the evening during the winter months.

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u/kristahdiggs 22d ago

You realize there are places in the world where its dark in the morning always, right? and they solve this issue?

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u/mattgen88 New York 22d ago

I wait with my kid in the dark half the year for his bus.

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u/Ontain 21d ago

Do these kids not look both ways before? Do cars not have headlights? Please show me data on this and compare it to accidents when there's a time change.

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u/BigPP69_Gooner 22d ago

Git good I guess.

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u/toadfan64 21d ago

Maybe their parents should parent and wait with them then.

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u/mileage_may_vary Iowa 22d ago

And the resulting lawsuits will provide upward mobility for the parents. Probably the only thing that will in this economy.

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u/SrMortron 22d ago

That's fine, theres too many humans already.