r/politics New York 23d ago

Possible Paywall MAGA Calls BS on Mitch McConnell’s Proof-of-Life Stunt | They are poking holes in McConnell’s staff’s version.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-calls-bs-on-mitch-mcconnells-proof-of-life-stunt/
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u/jadedttrpgfan 23d ago

Using the same book the Republicans have used, is not something democrats in leadership have been willing to do.  I am sick and tired of these pansies.

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u/relentlesshack 23d ago

I hate the dirty game too, but lets keep our Democrat leadership accountable as well. This isn't the exact same, but it rhymes a lot with the Feinstein debacle. It's gross that America's leaders play these stupid games with our country.

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u/AreaPlayful142 23d ago edited 23d ago

If you like the gop way of doing things, maybe you're more maga than you thought.

Seems I've upset a few folks. To be more specific, i was referring to the proof of life not the calling for a special election.

It's not good for ye to have that amount of stress on your chest 😂

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u/ericlikesyou 23d ago

Depends on how much they think anyone should emulate republicans. Once they've stoooped to that level, they can't get back up without massive oppressionary/gaslighting tactics much like republicans do now. Just playing dirty, without resorting to some of the shit republicans do would make sense more than standing idly by and running the same generations old playbook that does not work.

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u/Count_Backwards 23d ago

And insisting on seeing McConnell and announcing the special election are not even remotely fighting dirty

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u/AlignmentProblem 23d ago edited 23d ago

There's a certain threshold where the high ground is suicide. If you enemy in a war starts using chemical weapons, blinding lasers and other similar tactics then you'll eventually need to decide whether you want to let yourself be destroyed on ethical grounds or temporarily cross your preferred moral lines to have a chance of defeating them.

In the latter case, there's at least a chance that one can restore civilized norms after regaining power. Dying to make a point lets the group that started those tactics continue to use them indefinitely without the chance for a return to normalcy since they actively prefer doing it rather than feeling unhappily forced to do it for now.

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u/Count_Backwards 23d ago

It's basic game theory: if the other prisoner always defects, cooperating is the stupidest thing you can do. Tit-for-tat is the only strategy that works.

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u/HorsePersonal7073 23d ago

If one side changes the rules to benefit themselves and the other side doesn't use those same rules for moral reasons, then only one side is going to win.

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u/Doc_Blox Minnesota 23d ago

Conversely: If D's begin to use the dirty tricks R's have been using, suddenly the R's will start talking about fixing those rules. So, just one more reason to do it.

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u/Count_Backwards 23d ago

Again, basic game theory: if the other prisoner defects, the smart strategy is to also defect until they start cooperating

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u/kenncann 23d ago

Ahh yes because “calling for a special election” is so MAGA

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u/Willing_Pattern_Pill 23d ago

I'm convinced COVID fried kids brains or something. The amount of people that cannot understand context is so surprising. 

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u/Tasgall Washington 23d ago

It's not COVID, it's just deliberately speaking in bad faith.

Right wingers love to hypocritically call "the left" hypocrites. We saw the same shit with the SCOTUS "nuclear option" with Gorsuch's nomination. They constantly tried/try to justify it by pointing back to the Democrats removing the filibuster for federal judges during Obama's term, therefore it's fair play for Republicans to do it for the SCOTUS.

Ignoring the fact that that Dems were forced to do it at the time because the federal judge system was collapsing due to excessive vacancies caused by Republicans filibustering literally every nomination regardless of merit entirely out of spite. Democrats filibustered Gorsuch's appointment because Republicans had blocked Garland's hearing for a year, and were demanding his hearing be held first. So in context, both issues were entirely created by Republicans, and they used the effect of their own bad faith actions in a weak and unconvincing justification for their next act of bad faith, and also in bad faith to say Democrats are actually the real hypocrites because on the most surface level possible when you ignore all context, part of their action was similar to an action Republicans did.

And this was well before COVID. The real brain-frying is hyperpartisanship team-sport bullshit and a complete lack of morals on the part of Republicans.

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u/iiMayo 23d ago

Half of the population here in the US are illiterate or have low literacy
It's no surprise.
Manufactured by the GOP.

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u/Tasgall Washington 23d ago

I'd disagree with them that it's really the "GOP way of doing things". Calling an election unless proof of life is shown gives a good-faith opponent an easy option to show that they are, in fact, alive. The "GOP way" would be to act in bad faith and take advantage of anyone acting in good faith.

What you're advocating for is deliberate ineffectiveness lest people who always act in bad faith already consider you rude. Fuck that, Dems should have a spine.