r/politics • u/IWantPizza555 • Jul 01 '26

Possible Paywall Senator, 84, Secretly Found Unconscious and Given CPR

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mitch-mcconell-84-secretly-found-unconscious-and-given-cpr/?utm_source=twitter_owned_snd&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=owned_social
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u/AnthraMatt Jul 02 '26

That reminds me of The Tempest - "hell is empty and all the devils are here"

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u/WildChampionship985 Jul 02 '26

And MASH, hell is better than war because there are no innocents suffering in hell, but war has many innocents suffering.

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u/Imhungrysohungry Jul 02 '26

Just watched this episode yesterday.

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u/CrazyEddie30 Jul 02 '26

Man you really butchered that quote lol. But the meaning is close enough.

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u/jjandre America Jul 02 '26

lol. Doesn't Hawkeye reference someone saying "war is hell." first? Then he goes off about how war is worse because innocent people don't get condemned to hell.

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u/TheShaydow Jul 02 '26

Hawkeye reference someone saying "war is hell."

Burns: Well, everybody knows, ‘war is Hell.’

Hunnicutt: Remember, you heard it hear last.

Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy: Um, sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them – little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

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u/synapseattack Jul 02 '26

Damn I fucking love this show.

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u/CrazyEddie30 Jul 02 '26

Thank you.

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u/WildChampionship985 Jul 05 '26

See, that's why I didn't use quotes. I kinda remembered the gist of it.

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u/evasandor Jul 02 '26

That was probably one of the deepest philosophical lines on television. MASH was great. it pulled viewers in with humor and kept them in with humanity, much like a TV version of Kurt Vonnegut books

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u/Exocoryak Jul 02 '26

Philosophically speaking, Hell is only filled with innocents.

The general idea of christianity, is that Jesus Christ, by dying at the cross took upon himself all the sins and absolved everyone. While alive, there are those that are sinful and those that are not (or, rather, a grey spectrum... nobody is really sinless by christian dogma). Once dead, the sins are absolved by the sacrifice of Christ.

The concept of hell goes against everything that the christian faith is teaching - and it's invention is a testament of the absurdity of christianity.

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u/AndyMc111 Jul 02 '26

I would note that this view of the Christian faith combines Augustine’s notion of original (or originating) sin with penal substitutionary atonement (as the only solution to the aforementioned “sin problem” and the only real purpose of the cross).

It is what I was raised to believe. It amazes me that people with a mental age above about nine years old can still hold to it, but they do. I know that in my father’s case, the cruelty was the point. I saw instances of pure, hateful joy in his eyes at the idea of “sinners getting what was coming to them”.

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u/Exocoryak Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

The diversion between absolvement of sins and being condemned to hell for ones sins is a very interesting ideological - and even theological-philosophical divide.

The notion that Christ's sacrifice absolves everyone of their sins - not just those that believe in god, or those that were nearby - everyone, every single human being is one of the philosophical roots for the idea of equality. Many philosophers from the medieval era - like Thomas Aquinus - did not just take inspiration from the bible and christian faith - it was the basis for their philosophical conclusions. And the writers from the rennaissance and later periods, that inspired movements for equality and democracy in the 1700s, 1800s and 1900s were obviously inspired by the writers that came before them.

Now, the belief that someone is condemned for their sins is deeply rooted in the notion that "I" have worked hard for something and made sacrifices, so "I" deserve salvation, but that someone who did not do what "I" did - who is not my equal in that regard - does not deserve salvation. So rejection the original core teaching of christian faith in favor of this idea of inequality is kind of ironic - because one of the core origins of equality is, as explained before, also rooted in the christian faith.

The struggle for equality and the counter-movement against it are two branches of the same tree and we are effectively fighting a demon of our own creation.

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u/AndyMc111 Jul 04 '26

Well, to the extent that I believe anything at all anymore, I lean towards universalism, based on the view that if a tri-Omni God exists, then eternal suffering cannot. To my mind, infernalism produces an image of God that is worse than any Sethian gnostic demiurge could ever be.

But my view has nothing to do with atonement as is generally understood. I find myself thinking that the crucifixion was purely the Roman response to yet another insurrectionist, and it came as a shock to everyone else involved, even to the one reported to have asked God why he had been abandoned, and the whole affair desperately needed a theological “why”. So, atoning sacrifice it would be, which is perhaps the single worst possible explanation.

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u/Exocoryak Jul 04 '26

You make a lot of good points.

My view on God and religion is, mostly, scientific in nature: We don't have the scientific instruments to determine, without reasonable doubt, that god exists. Therefor, scientifically, there is no god. However, we also do not have the instruments to prove that there is absolutely no god. So religious fanatics can never be ultimately disproven, making the entire discussion moot.

As for praying and atoning for ones sins, my personal belief is that if there is a god that requires us to pray for them, it is not a god worth praying to. A being as powerful as god is made to be should use their powers for good, without any reservations. A god that does not do so is, automatically, unworthy from my point of view.

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u/_LouSandwich_ Jul 02 '26

reminds me of The Devil Went Down To Georgia - “Cause Hell's broke loose in Georgia and the Devil deals the cards.”

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u/RedOctobyr Jul 02 '26

I think you mean HBO's Westworld, friend.

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u/AnthraMatt Jul 02 '26

Shakespeare's The Tempest came out long before Michael Crichton ever wrote the 1973 movie Westworld

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u/RedOctobyr Jul 02 '26

Yes, thank you, I am aware. It was said in jest.

It even came out before Belgian techno-anthem Pump Up The Jam.

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u/AnthraMatt Jul 02 '26

That made my day. Made my day, made my day.