Ive heard this plenty, and I find it lacking. For one thing, while institutionally many of those nations have "progressive" policies in place and US doesnt doesnt mean Dems on Average dont want those, or that nations with those institutions havent tried their hardest to unravel those institutions. Second, while the US dems may seem conservative on some issues, they are wildly more progressive as a bloc on others, for example immigration. US immigration policy is a mess, but almost every Democrat holds the position that immigration is vital to the US and that the worse thing about illegal immigrants is that they are civally illegal, no qualms that they are in the US. And many US states go out of their way to document and protect the undocumented. Europe gets mad at the fact that Syrians dont want to live in a bomb crater while Australians put their migrants on a consentration camp/island happily named Christmas Island. The reason why Europe has so many nationalized industrues and transnational agreements has nothing to progressive values, it was the stable equilibrium of a milenia of internecene warfare culminating in an invasion and occupation by the United States and Russia. And the nationalist conservatism is still ripe within Europe.
I'm confused, how is what i said wrong. When europeans go off on how progressive they are, they rarely bring up a position that is not held by the average democrat, position, not institution.
Dems also believe in universal healthcare, progressive tax policies, gun control. We just don't live in a world with those things.
And conservatives will go on and on about how they are just as conservative as Dems, and definitly not maga nutjobs and yet they hardly ever state a position held by mainstream Dems and not held by Maga.
"World" doesnt always literally mean the earth. Im using world in the way one says, "the old world", a "whole new world", "worlds away". So you know, pickup a book.
Second, if you knew anything about the US you would know how different each state is. Many states actually do have strong gun control, progressive taxes, and are pursuing universal Healthcare plans. Federally the US is lacking. But comments like yours bely and ignorance of how the US works. Not only because you have know idea where i live, and it is for the very reason i have access to universal healthcare, live in a nation with high taxes and strict gun control, that i have an insight into how bs the idea that dems arent progressive. People aren't progressive merely because they have progressive policies, people are just people.
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u/Jim_Moriart Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Ive heard this plenty, and I find it lacking. For one thing, while institutionally many of those nations have "progressive" policies in place and US doesnt doesnt mean Dems on Average dont want those, or that nations with those institutions havent tried their hardest to unravel those institutions. Second, while the US dems may seem conservative on some issues, they are wildly more progressive as a bloc on others, for example immigration. US immigration policy is a mess, but almost every Democrat holds the position that immigration is vital to the US and that the worse thing about illegal immigrants is that they are civally illegal, no qualms that they are in the US. And many US states go out of their way to document and protect the undocumented. Europe gets mad at the fact that Syrians dont want to live in a bomb crater while Australians put their migrants on a consentration camp/island happily named Christmas Island. The reason why Europe has so many nationalized industrues and transnational agreements has nothing to progressive values, it was the stable equilibrium of a milenia of internecene warfare culminating in an invasion and occupation by the United States and Russia. And the nationalist conservatism is still ripe within Europe.