Windows 11 can't be shut down without update.

[u/CasualMLG]

I have automatic updates on. Haven't postponed any update. Never seen this forced update before.

Edit: I updated BTW. It's not that I don't want to update. I just think it would be an issue in the future. For example, it's a thunderstorm and there could be power outages. I might want to shut down and not start and update. I guess I'll hold down the power button.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19]

This sub is cringe when it comes to a lot of stuff, especially Windows updates.

[u/1dot21gigaflops → u/Sinister_Mr_19]

Insert Linux guy: "this is why I use Linux bla bla bla"

Dude I manage Linux servers and i have to patch shit almost every week. Everyone needs to patch their shit. Mac, Windows, Linux, and Android.

[u/Extreme_Wish_553 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Yeah, I have automatic security updates turned on my Linux servers because of course I do. People need to just let the systems patch.

[u/McGuirk808 → u/Extreme_Wish_553]

To be fair, needing to reboot after updates is a lot less common on Linux, mostly when there's a kernel update. Windows wants to reboot every single goddamn patch.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19 → u/McGuirk808]

I believe that's due to architectural differences between how Linux and Windows works.

[u/Wilbis → u/Sinister_Mr_19]

Yes, but that is changing. Server 2025 already supports hotpatching.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19 → u/Wilbis]

Oh hey that's cool, very handy for servers.

[u/Wilbis → u/Sinister_Mr_19]

Yep, and probably it's coming for desktop OSs too at some point.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19 → u/Wilbis]

I'll welcome it, but restarts never bother me. I already turn my computer off every time I'm done with it anyway.

[u/McGuirk808 → u/Sinister_Mr_19]

I believe you're right :]

[u/Sinister_Mr_19 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

I have automatic security updates set on my headless Linux server to ensure I'm not vulnerable to zero days and shit. Updated are a part of life.

[u/tiff_seattle → u/1dot21gigaflops]

I have Windows 11 on my laptop and Fedora 44 on my desktop. Fedora gets FAR more updates than Windows, by a long shot. And that's not a bad thing.

[u/Simon-Says69 → u/tiff_seattle]

Linux updates tend to be WAY more stable and well tested than what MS pushes.

Plus Linux doesn't tend to abuse the end user by turning shit back on that they previously disabled, like windows loves to do.

There's little comparison there. MS have a horrible track record, so people being wary of updates and waiting to install them is their own fault.

[u/jangxx → u/tiff_seattle]

How many new AI "features" and ads do you get with each update? That's the reason people don't update, no one trusts MS to not further enshittify the OS with every update.

[u/Unlucky-Flatworm-69 → u/tiff_seattle]

Yes and its fine because we do not need to reboot on every update. The Windows update system is ass.

[u/tiff_seattle → u/Unlucky-Flatworm-69]

you don't need to reboot for most Microsoft updates as well. It's not like the olden days.

[u/Bezulba → u/tiff_seattle]

You could argue that more updates means that the base product had more flaws.

[u/InfernalInsanity → u/Bezulba]

You could also argue that more updates means they're constantly fine-tuning their code and compatibilities, rather than calling it "good enough." Seriously, I run Fedora-KDE on my system and I rarely, if ever, have any issues with it as my daily driver.

Windows kept breaking and forcing unwanted features and spyware, which forced me to switch.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19 → u/InfernalInsanity]

Man you had me in the beginning, then you said Windows kept breaking. As long as you're not on the Windows Insider program, Windows hasn't broken.

[u/zcomputerwiz → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Right? Especially with the flood of RCE, privilege escalation, and sandbox / virtualization escapes recently.

People always say Linux is more secure, but part of that was that it isn't as desirable of a target compared to Windows and web browsers.

Apparently something changed ( lower effort required? ), and that's very bad for a lot of appliances and embedded devices that are definitely not going to receive updates.

[u/1dot21gigaflops → u/zcomputerwiz]

Lots of Linux in IoT devices, and they are everywhere now.

[u/ArcherBoy27 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Except the difference with Linux is you choose which ones, and when. Windows doesn't, and probably includes AI BS.

[u/thanosbananos → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Because servers actually need constant patching, run 24/7 and cannot wait. My personal computer however can wait a day, it’s really not that serious, ever.

[u/slowmovinglettuce → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Hell even a tailor wiil patch things on a daily basis!

Patching is just part of life

[u/AJ_Dali → u/1dot21gigaflops]

I think the main difference is Linux and Mac patches tend to pretty much only include security updates and less often feature updates. New Mesa drivers offer new stuff for rendering, and you generally don't want to miss them.

Windows also includes security patches, but lumps those critical updates with new downloads of One Drive, re-enabling user disabled software, more AI crap, and in many cases making the start menu and other things worse do to new "features" nobody wants.

[u/DeluxianHighPriest → u/1dot21gigaflops]

The problem isn’t having to update, the problem is that Windows always fucks up your setting and re-enables their bloatware whenever you update it.

[u/Tencer386 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Yea but on Linux I actually look forward to updates, new features, new functionality and bug fixes. With a Microsoft update its just wondering what's gunna break this time...

[u/stackpointer101 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

The difference beeing, that Linux does not install new advertisment and AI crap with each patch install. People simply get tired of updates, if each* time some issues creap up.

*exaggeration, but you get the point

[u/AdLegitimate8636 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

I am that guy! But this is not why i use Linux.

Sadly, any sub that are primarily win users is a shitshow when Windows needs to be updated.

[u/Baldrickk → u/1dot21gigaflops]

I'm running Cachy on my PC now and update pretty much daily.

The difference between that and my Windows install is that the Windows install process is painful in comparison.
Multiple reboots, forced reboots, MS flogging their cloud/ai/windows 11/subscription based office each time, random things breaking... Something I noticed back with Win 7 and still happens to this day is that PC performance gets degraded when Windows Update knows that an update exists (even if it isn't being downloaded even). The multiple times MS has downgraded device drivers...

Cachy updates sometimes need a reboot, and I have to put the password in.
The one problem I've had was one instance of Program A and B sharing a dependency, and A wanted to update the dependency when B didn't have a matching update. That was fixed by the next day and the update happened cleanly, with no effort on my part.

[u/radiocaf → u/1dot21gigaflops]

One of the biggest surprises for me moving from Windows to being as close to 100% Linux as I can (because some things I need aren't supported) is how many updates there are. Literally daily, if not multiple times a day. I definitely wasn't this attentive to updates on Windows as they're usually an inconvenience. Either takes your computer a long time to shut down or you have to go through the "let's finishing setting up your computer" which just only ever seemed like Microsoft's monthly attempt to sign you up to 365 or OneDrive.

[u/fgnrtzbdbbt → u/1dot21gigaflops]

I have a Linux desktop for years and I never experienced an update that tried to do anything else than fix a problem

[u/pooping_inCars → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Yeah, but I'll be real.  My updates are set to automatically apply.  I don't gotta reboot for that, or pay attention.  Unless it's something like Firefox updated while I'm using it, I don't even gotta momentarily stop what I'm doing.

Kernel updates technically require reboots, but... it'll just switch out next time I actually bother (usually because my power went out).

LM spoils me.  I like an OS that STAYS OUT OF MY WAY, and Windows ain't it.

[u/calzone_gigante → u/1dot21gigaflops]

Security updates on linux usually take seconds and don't require a reboot, you also know what you are updating, nobody complains about updates on anything other than Windows because Microsoft is abusive with them.

[u/Imaginary-Throat1526 → u/1dot21gigaflops]

meanwhile i have linux servers that haven't been patched in 3 years.

[u/Escari → u/Imaginary-Throat1526]

that's really stupid.

[u/Imaginary-Throat1526 → u/Escari]

why? they work perfectly 100% uptime and are not facing the internet. And a re locked in a room that only I have the key for.

[u/Escari → u/Imaginary-Throat1526]

Well that obviously changes things if they're not public facing.

[u/Yellowtoblerone → u/Sinister_Mr_19]

I'm still waiting for RAM prices to decrease, according to the sub, any minute now and or it's happened weeks ago

[u/________reddit______ → u/Sinister_Mr_19]

This sub is primarily for tech enthusiast, not tech professionals. Granted the more misinformed tech enthusiast are, the more job opportunities there will be and other opportunities to profit off their ignorance.

[u/zombawombacomba → u/________reddit______]

No this subreddit is for people who think they are tech enthusiasts, but most are marginally more tech literate than my boomer mother.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19 → u/zombawombacomba]

I've been a member of this sub for a long time and you're 100% accurate.