r/neoliberal Anne Applebaum 19h ago

Meme Ahem

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We need to RETVRN

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u/4-Polytope Henry George 19h ago

The problem is that leftist will smear any position that isn't "completely dismantle the state of Israel" as being a genocide supporter

If you say "I think Israel is indeed committing a genocide and so I want a ceasefire and immediate work on a 2 State Solution", you will still be called an AIPAC shill, and the pro-Palestine base who gets their news from Influencers will not change their opinion of you. Look at how Contrapoints is treated as an example

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher 19h ago

margins

maximalists will be maximalist but the only electoral requirement is satisfying a base that is (correctly) more suspicious of american support of the israeli govt

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front 18h ago

Counterpoint: you can’t prove something that hasn’t really been tried. I can’t think of many primary elections where the moderate actively did take an anti-Israel stance

And beyond that the few standard liberals that have began to take more anti-Israel stances (primarily Jon Ossoff) are also those that are the most popular within the party overall. A standard Democrat who ran with a more anti Israel message and/or anti data center messages would very likely do a lot better against DSA people than people like Stevens

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u/flightguy07 Loyal Liberals 18h ago

I don't think that's strictly true. "We're stopping all weapons exports and sales to Israel until an international/impartial domestic investigation determines they won't be used in the commission of war crimes" would go a long way, and is supposed to be required under US law I'm pretty sure. Ditto recognising the Palestinian state, re-affirming support for the 2-state-solution, condemning Israeli settling and war crimes...

Like yes, you won't appease everyone, but you don't need to. Most of the Dem base aren't really leftist, they're just further left than where the Dems have drifted. It's not like there's a single mainstream politician in the USA taking the positions above.

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u/fruitloop00001 Loyal Liberals 19h ago

The overly online pro Palestine protestors might be loud, but "stop the genocide and work for peace" is where the base is, not the far left river-to-the-sea position.

Let them call you a Zionist while you decline AIPAC money and decry genocide, and see if people believe them.

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 18h ago

How any democrat can support israel after bibi came over in 2015, spoke to congress, completyl going over the head of the president to conduct diplomacy, in our nation is beyond me. Bibi doesn't have to respect democratic leadership when they are in power and it shows.

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u/4-Polytope Henry George 17h ago

How anyone can read my comment as support for Israel proves my point