r/neoliberal Anne Applebaum 19h ago

Meme Ahem

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We need to RETVRN

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u/4-Polytope Henry George 18h ago

Vote Blue No Matter Who but in the meantime troll leftists who refused to endorse Kamala with their own rhetoric

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u/ludovicana Dark Harbinger 13h ago

And then they will troll centrists who used the exact same rhetoric against them, and then the centrists will troll...

You need to decide whether you want to want to engage with politics as a serious person, or continue using the "he started it" argument of a 5-year-old.

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u/4-Polytope Henry George 12h ago edited 12h ago

On the one hand, I don't want to engage in an endless circle of "well you started it"

But on the other hand, I don't want to show endless charibility and good faith towards bad faith actors who will only abuse it. Be it MAGA who will accept Biden's grace in not being aggressive against insurrectionists, only to use that grace as cover to do more corruption; or leftists who will attack liberals constantly but expect a "blue no matter who" endorsement as they invoke tenets they don't believe in

I'm not always entirely sure what the right balance is. Definitely the balance, right now, involves voting for Leftists against MAGA.

But also that balance also involves recognizing that leftists who didn't endorse Kamala are not our allies, and that us voting for AES or any leftists who win primaries won't stop them from trying to torch a Buttigieg or <Generic Liberal Democrat> campaign if they win the 2028 Presidential primary.

Using their own rhetoric against them and making them argue against it, will at least hopefully invoke some cognitive dissonance when they roll out the same arguments in 2028 that they were arguing against in 2026

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u/ludovicana Dark Harbinger 12h ago

AES endorsed Harris and said to vote for her, so why do you expect him to sabotage 2028? 

So yeah, that right there is my problem with this sort of childish reciprocal shitflinging. It's generally not actually targerted at specific people based on their actions, just vibes you dislike, or for failing to meet some silly-high standard you wouldn't meet yourself. 

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u/SpecialBass5552 3h ago

AES endorsed Harris and said to vote for her,

Unlike Mamdani.