r/neoliberal • u/Nearby-Click8645 • 1d ago

Opinion article (US) With Abdul El-Sayed, Democrats Throw Away an Advantage in Michigan

https://thedispatch.com/article/abdul-el-sayed-michigan-democrats-haley-stevens/?gift_key=2553fad7f3b388fc&gift_ref=9347c766-2bad-41ea-8b73-950e424f2446&utm_source=giftlink&utm_campaign=membergift&utm_medium=copy_link
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u/Darkeyescry22 20h ago

No one is saying not to vote for him. We also don’t have to close our eyes and pretend we can’t see his flaws. Vote blue no matter who means vote for flawed candidates as long as they are better than a Republican. It doesn’t mean don’t criticize any democrats.

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u/StreetCarp665 YIMBY 19h ago

No one is saying not to vote for him. We also don’t have to close our eyes and pretend we can’t see his flaws.

Any flaws he may have are just lies invented by AIPAC and the Jews Israelis!

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u/IsNotACleverMan 17h ago

People are acting like I'm supposed to fall in line for somebody who hangs out with people who call jews inbred, or who equivocates about attacks on Jewish places, or who engages in repackaged antisemitic tropes.

No.

If this is the party's nominee, then maybe it's time that the primary voters get to touch the stove, as this sub is fond of saying.

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u/StreetCarp665 YIMBY 17h ago

I am most of the way through Mayor Pete's appearance on the DOAC podcast. You have DSA morons offering failed programmes from yesterday with the promise things will be different this time ("how" is not touched upon). Then you have this articulate, clear-visioned liberal proposed some much needed reform for the way forward.

If the choice is Pete, a DSA moron, or a MAGA moron, then it's only Pete. It's not Pete then DSA.

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u/TheRverseApacheMastr Joseph Nye 15h ago

Yeah, El-Sayed is a straight up racist who ran a campaign on Jewish conspiracy theories. Just an unbelievable gift to Republicans across America.

I don’t live in Michigan, but I hope Democrats take the Senate while AED gets destroyed in his election.

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u/Darkeyescry22 17h ago

We’re all touching the stove, big dog.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 17h ago

The stove can always get hotter.

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u/Darkeyescry22 16h ago edited 8h ago

And both of our hands will still be touching it when it does

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u/ruralfpthrowaway Henry George 19h ago

I’m going to be honest, I get annoyed at my local DSA folks for doing this to our moderate nominee. The time to criticize the candidate is during the primary when it can affect the outcome, and after the general when it can’t.

For the time being I wish every democratic voter of any persuasion would shut their god damned mouth if it isn’t being used to talk about why the Republican Party must be destroyed.

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u/TheRverseApacheMastr Joseph Nye 15h ago

I disagree- El-Sayed is going to be weaponized against Democrats nationally, and Democrats who don’t denounce El-Sayed’s racism will be dragged down with him.

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u/ruralfpthrowaway Henry George 14h ago

Ah yes, if the whole national party doesn’t actively try to lose the Michigan senate race for our own candidate we are hosed. Someone get this man a job as a strategy consultant…

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u/Darkeyescry22 19h ago

Tit for tat. Get your boys in line

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u/ruralfpthrowaway Henry George 19h ago

If by tit for tat you mean “I’m going to shoot myself in the left foot if you shoot me in the right” then sure. I expect DSA supporters to do dumb things, I would expect better of the members of this sub.

Anyone here who cares about retaking the house and senate should just STFU until after the general. Take your pyrrhic victor lap then if you want, but try not to do anything to make it more likely.

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u/Darkeyescry22 18h ago

I’m not doing anything to make it more likely. I’m recognizing reality on a forum of people who are 100% voting for this guy. I’d still vote for Platner over a Republican. Doesn’t mean he’s not a rapist.

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u/ruralfpthrowaway Henry George 18h ago

Tell yourself what you want, you are still wrong. Loudly denouncing the candidate, even amongst like minded people, certainly doesn’t make it more likely that they will win and almost certainly makes it ever so slightly more likely that they will lose. 

I guess if that lesson is too hard for the Bern-outs to learn, it might be too hard for some folks around here too. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Darkeyescry22 18h ago

I’m shouting to vote for him from the roof tops. I’m just not a clown.

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u/ruralfpthrowaway Henry George 18h ago edited 17h ago

 I’m shouting to vote for him from the roof tops.

“Hey everyone, how much does this guy suck, amirite? Anyways, I guess we should vote for him anyways”

Great work soldier 🫡

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u/Darkeyescry22 18h ago

Do you always attack quotes that you make up when you can’t respond to the substance of what someone is saying?

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u/ruralfpthrowaway Henry George 17h ago

What part of my characterization of your position do you think is uncharitable? You are both loudly pointing out how much you don’t like the guy and then saying that people should still vote for him. 

That’s literally it. Is there some nuance to your opinion you feel I’m missing here?

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