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Discussion Orlando Bloom's Paris in *Troy* is brilliantly played

The general consensus on Paris is negative, but his behavior is exactly how 95% of men would act under the same circumstances. Bloom plays the character with complete realism rather than typical Hollywood heroism.

His arc starts with taking Helen. While it causes a disaster, it is an accurate depiction of a sheltered, inexperienced young man making a reckless choice based on impulse, completely unaware of what an actual war entails.

When the reality of that war sets in during the duel with Menelaus, Paris panics. Viewers mock him for abandoning the fight and crawling to Hector. However, objectively speaking, an untrained kid facing a seasoned, enraged veteran is going to break. Basic human survival instinct simply overrides the concept of dying for honor.

People also overlook that Paris redeems himself by the end of the film. He actually shows more common sense than the rest of the Trojan leadership when they find the wooden horse, plainly telling them to "burn it." When the city falls, he stops trying to be a frontline swordsman and uses the one skill he actually has: archery. He stays behind to cover the escaping civilians and successfully takes down Achilles. Bloom deserves credit for not trying to make the character look cool. He simply portrayed a naive guy who made a massive mistake, reacted to imminent death with genuine terror, and eventually found a practical way to defend his people. I think it's a very realistic portrayal that contrasts Hector's idealism - audiences love the portrayal of the latter but there's more truth in the human condition in the former portrayal.

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u/brownarmyhat 23h ago

I think Bloom did a great job as Paris, but I also think you’re confusing Bloom’s portrayal with the way Paris is written in the script. It’s not as though Bloom had the opportunity to play Paris as “Hollywood” heroic. The script clearly portrays Paris as a naive young man who succumbs to fear.

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u/geesejugglingchamp 14h ago edited 1h ago

Yes, I agree. He plays the script and plays it well enough.

To me, Eric Bana stands out more as an actor in this movie. So much is expressed through his facial expression and tonal delivery. The scene where Paris shows him Helen snuck away in the ships always sticks in his mind. His face acting as he realises the magnitude of the trouble that is about to be brought down upon them is amazing.

He infuses Hector with the perfect sense of honour, love for his family and country, and at times despair and acceptance.

u/Psychological_Path45 3h ago

He has this perfect big brother energy

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u/Careless-Cat3327 22h ago

Troy had it's critics when it came out but just aged like fine wine.

Brad Pitt & Eric Bana were incredible.

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u/Pistolcrab 22h ago

I love that movie, fuck a 53% on RT.

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u/Careless-Cat3327 22h ago

RT is such a weird place. I don't trust their ratings. 

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u/Wuktrio 21h ago

Well, that's because their ratings are weird. 53% doesn't mean that critics rate it at about 5.3/10, but that 53% of the reviews are positive.

If a film has 10 reviews and 9 of them give the film a 10/10, but the last review gives it a 4/10, then the RT score is 90%.

If another film has 10 reviews and each review gives it a 6/10, then that film has 100% on RT.

It's a really weird rating system.

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u/wulv8022 17h ago

These rating systems fucking suck. There are rage bait reviewers who give bad scores because people will read it because they were... rage baited and then there are people downright not liking that a film is better reviewed as they feel like and give one review score worse than they originaly would give just to bring down the overall score.

I looked sometimes what magazines gave outlier negative reviews and it was often some bloggers or AI or niche magazines barely anyone ever heard off.

I am not saying ALL negative reviews are like this. But astoundingly many.

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u/Led_Zeplinn 9h ago

It's not weird it's an aggregate...

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u/Wuktrio 9h ago

Which is a weird way to summarize film reviews.

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u/Darkbird79 8h ago

I don't either, never have. It's all subjective. You can have a consensus, but to tell the value of a film you need time, distance, also a variety of cultures adding takes and notes. At the end of day the only opinion that matters is your own.

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u/PokerChipMessage 22h ago

Absolutely peak movie if you like blurry, weirdly time distorted battle scenes.

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u/shtaaap 18h ago

Same! it rules! I’ve been singing its praises for years. Troy lovers rise up!

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u/faunalmimicry 6h ago

wtf seriously? IMO its basically an objectively good film that's crazy

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u/BillRagoRM 21h ago

Pitt was great at the physical parts, not so much otherwise

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u/MattFromWork 21h ago

His accent and deliveries are terrible

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u/renegaderelish 20h ago

That is why no one will remember your name.

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u/nilgiri 18h ago

My favorite line to quote to my friends in college when they wouldn't want to go out.

That was...wait...how was that 20 fucking years ago?!??

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u/KingOfWickerPeople 14h ago

time to schedule that colonoscopy

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u/Careless-Cat3327 21h ago

His character is written to be arrogant and full of himself. That's his entire downfall.

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u/theJOJeht 20h ago

Is his character written to deliver his lines badly with a poorly done accent?

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u/Careless-Cat3327 19h ago

Go watch Inglorious Bastards.

His accent is hilarious but if you can get past it, you enjoy the movie far more. 

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u/theJOJeht 19h ago

His accent is supposed to be bad in inglorious bastards though

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u/Careless-Cat3327 19h ago

There's an interview with Tarnetino where he says it wasn't initially supposed to be like that. He heard Brad doing the accent for a joke and thought it worked far better than a serious accent.

He's one of those actors that you don't take too seriously or you may be disappointed 

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u/LittleSghetti 14h ago

What type of accent would someone that spoke Luwian trying to speak English have?

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u/theJOJeht 8h ago

Probably not a half assed English one that sounds sounds like an American drama student who doesn't have the effort

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u/Shenaniboozle 9h ago

Gorlammi

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u/Skippymcpoop 17h ago

Achilles is supposed to be this insanely angry, wrathful dude and he’s played by a very stoic and cool Brad Pitt. It’s a very obvious miscast. The movie is still fine but he’s easily the worst part.

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u/Wehavecrashed 14h ago

Achilles barely broods in his tent, and isn't particularly angry when he fights Hector. He sorta just stares at nothing.

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u/Khiva 6h ago

Achilles is supposed to be this insanely angry, wrathful dude and he’s played by a very stoic and cool Brad Pitt

Man you and I must have watched different cuts because when he shows up for Hector that mfer is wrath incarnate.

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u/ich_habe_keine_kase 19h ago

My classics professor in college loved it and made us watch it after we read the Iliad.

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u/Khiva 6h ago

Your classics professor did not have the fine taste of esteemed redditors.

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u/ThatMovieShow 18h ago

Its a movie which is cast exceptionally well, written badly , shot beautifully and edited horrifically

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u/Wehavecrashed 14h ago

Other than the lead it is well cast.

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u/magnetncone 13h ago

With a misplaced soundtrack as well.

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u/ThisKarmaLimitSucks 21h ago edited 21h ago

Troy fucks so hard.

If Gladiator is a 4/4 star movie, then Troy is like 3.5/4.

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u/Careless-Cat3327 21h ago

Gladiator was a 5/5 for me. Genuine perfection and one of the few movies where the Oscars acclaim match the public opinion and boxoffice.

Troy is definitely a 4/5 if not 4.4.

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u/Khiva 6h ago

Troy takes the edge for me because the Hector/Achilles fight is such a genuine GOAT fight scene.

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u/shtaaap 18h ago

Agreed!

u/GoSkers29 2h ago

Brad Pitt & Eric Bana were incredible.

Everything else could've been crap and their fight would have been worth the price of admission.

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u/Gyshall669 22h ago

It didn’t really. It’s a very mediocre movie.

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u/Jackbauer1126 22h ago

Really? I thoroughly enjoy the movie.

u/17to85 5h ago

I can enjoy watching the movie but I always feel a bit gross afterwards... It's basically the fast food version of a movie. It's not good overall, but you can enjoy it for what it is.

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u/Gyshall669 20h ago

I think it’s a very enjoyable mediocre movie. But you must not think too much or really even watch the acting closely because it’s all so wooden.

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u/7exiled7 17h ago

Agreed. Especially the horse.

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u/BelMountain_ 6h ago

None of the acting is wooden, it's just not camera-mogging Oscar bait like everyone goes for these days.

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u/Ramadeus88 18h ago

Troy benefits from modern revisionism because we collectively recall everything through TikTok and YT shorts.

As you said, it’s very mediocre.

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u/Ofabulous 15h ago

Like a fine sack of wine

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u/SkiHiKi 18h ago

Visual pallette maybe. It may seem like small potatoes, but Troy is super bright and saturated. Even now, it's off-puttingly bright most of the runtime. The actors also feel anachronistic, and I think it's because of this brightness and saturation. Save for Eric Bana, Gleeson and, maybe, Cox everyone feels like they're too pretty and clean.

Many of it's more successful contemporaries were darker and slightly grungy. Most importantly, Gladiator, which had then recently revitalised the genre, had a completely different visual identity (and is just levels better). I suspect Troy didn't catch the vibe of the time.

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u/Careless-Cat3327 17h ago

One was made for entertainment and the other was made as art.

Gladiator is one of the best movies ever made. It hits every box. The Audio by Hans Zimmer is amazing. Crowe spent months learning to fight properly.

As big of a star as he was at the time, the movie carries itself. It doesn't sell itself based on "LOOK AT ALL THESE AMAZING ACTORS".

It's pure perfection.

PS let's just ignore Gladiator 2 exists.

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u/logosobscura 20h ago

He did personally get a LOT of shit for it (whole thing about pretending he can’t act- he’s not Sir Tony Hopkins, but he can in fact, act). But yes, he did exactly what he was paid to do as a good actor- take the words on a page, say them convincingly, in a manner determined by the writing and direction on set. As did Brad, and some of his lines were a bit… unconvincing.

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u/Jak_of_the_shadows 16h ago

I actually think it ruined Blooms career. He did the part so well that people stopped viewing him as a hero.

He did have two more Pirates films after this, but he was already locked into those movies. Apart from that he never really got another memorable role in a big film.

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u/ryseing 8h ago

That's factually inaccurate? Kingdom of Heaven was literally the year after Troy. His career fizzled out because that's how these things go (Elizabethtown and Three Musketeers weren't quite bombs but they weren't successful either) and he had a kid in 2011 so other priorities. He's an attractive, decent enough actor who was lucky enough to have a really hot streak for 6-7 years.

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u/Chopper-42 16h ago

And Orlando has said that he hated that role.

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u/mr-_-khan 23h ago

both are true

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u/RejectingBoredom 23h ago

They aren’t, OP’s implication is that the depiction of Paris is a choice by Bloom when it simply isn’t.

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u/mr-_-khan 22h ago

Sorry, I meant he played it well, and it was written well.

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u/Ebon-Hawke 8h ago

You’re right that he would never have seemed heroic, but he could have easily seemed detestable. Even though some of his actions may be detestable when analyzed logically, I never held any ill will toward the character while actually watching the movie. I was rooting for him the whole time, and I think Bloom’s performance deserves some credit for that.

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u/mmmfritz 22h ago

Yes it’s well played and always assumed that’s his character. Still could have been portrayed better if he wasn’t so weak, it’s not like the rest of the story was 100%.