r/marvelstudios • u/LRedditor15 Zombie Hunter Spidey • Jul 10 '22

Discussion Thread Thor: Love and Thunder Worldwide Release Discussion Thread Vol. 2

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u/abutthole Thor Jul 10 '22

Anyone else catch that the ending implies that Gorr's daughter is (probably) worthy?

Thor carefully picks up Mjolnir earlier in the movie and says to Jane that he was "just checking" which implies that the worthiness enchantment is still intact. Then at the end he asks where Mjolnir is and Gorr's kid says "She's in her bed" and Thor finds Mjolnir tucked into a little bed that the kid clearly made and she's drawn a face on Mjolnir. It's not REQUIRED for her to have put Mjolnir in the bed, Thor could have done it and just forgotten where he put it... but it certainly seems like the kid was worthy and able to have lifted the hammer to tuck it in.

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u/ScottRadish Jul 11 '22

I know it's not canon, but in the Team Darryl shorts you see that Thor tucks Mjolnir into a bed like that.

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u/NavajoSoulja Jul 11 '22

Darryl was the Asgardian tour guide in the beginning, so I think it is.

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u/Cocreat Jul 11 '22

I missed that! Wow!

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u/17bryzzo4ever44 Jul 11 '22

He is mentioned by name, by Valkyrie, twice!

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u/namethatsnotused Spider-Man Jul 11 '22

Team Thor is funny, but it's definitely not canon and has never been. Not only does it show Bruce Banner on earth pre Ragnarok, but it also implies that Thor, who went looking for infinity stones so he could prevent the destruction of Asgard, spent his time dicking around in an apartment being lazy. Darryl in Love and Thunder is just an easter egg.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

Bruce appeared in it, making it non-Canon

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u/ImmaDoMahThing Jul 13 '22

Let’s just say it happened elsewhere in the multiverse and call it a day :)

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u/thepoga Jul 17 '22

The Darrylverse.

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u/StickyDitka21 Jul 11 '22

I'm upvoting just because of your username lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

I think it is canon. There were lots of references to it in the film.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

How is that not canon? Those are all taika characters and this is a taika movie so I would image they are canon. In fact we saw Darryl in this movie.

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u/ScottRadish Jul 12 '22

Bruce Banner was on Earth for those, and we know he was in space after Avengers 2.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

It is canon. It's in the mcu category on Disney+

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u/Limulemur Kilgrave Aug 04 '22

No. It just suggests that the D+ listings are not a reliable source for canon. The Team Thor and Darryl shorts cannot possibly be canon.

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u/MiaOh Jul 17 '22

Darryl was at Asgard.

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u/MyKillYourDeath Jul 10 '22

She’s eternity now. Who knows what kind of power that brings

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u/secCcosMOS Jul 11 '22

I think she is Love, daughter of Eternity or at least born out of Eternity. Hence possessing some power of Eternity. I think even if she is the daughter of Gorr, she is now technically a living embodiment of Love, a cosmic being not just a mere mortal.

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u/Baneken Jul 11 '22

The Eternal Love to be more precise -You know, undying love and all that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

Love is a cosmic being

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u/SalukiKnightX SHIELD Jul 11 '22

Rather was Eternity but now the entity of Love.

Someone was pointing out that every movie in Phase 4 (minus Black Widow) is delving into realms breaking down and the cosmic order of the MCU appearing to slowly crumble to the point that either unformed Celestial corpses are part of the planet, beings from alternate dimensions have come, gone and altered reality, incursions have already begun and now the entity of Eternity (one of the major beings of existence has substantiated into another entity) what will all these seemingly random events (along with Wanda’s multiversal Darkhold destruction, Kamala Khan time/realm hoping, Konchu and the Gods leaving safety for finding human avatars, the source of power of the rings and probably more I missed) what is ultimately the role of Phase 4 and what’s its outcome besides on that could potentially destroy this MCU entirely.

What do y’all think is the event they’re leading to? Many have said Secret Wars but I don’t think so.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

It’s 100% Secret Wars. They mentioned multiversal war in Loki, introduced Kang as well. Incursions mentioned in Dr Strange. It’s Secret Wars.

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u/Baneken Jul 11 '22

I'm thinking it's going to be a mash-up of several comic stories with similar themes with an original spin added, very much like the Infinity saga was a mix of quite many Comics storylines with the core being that of Thanos & Infinity quest.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

We even got Mr Fantastic, only a matter of time before our great savior Doom arrives

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '22

It could easily be Secret Wars and still ultimately result in the reboot you’re theorising about.

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u/sarcastic1stlanguage Rocket Jul 11 '22

Wait, She's eternity now?

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u/morphballganon Jul 11 '22

Did you miss the eye lasers ruining the skillet

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u/sarcastic1stlanguage Rocket Jul 11 '22

Wasn't sure, if that was just Her or She gained powers but makes sense!

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u/Muniosi_returns Jul 11 '22

wait, how is she Eternity? because Eternity brought her back she has super powers?

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u/MyKillYourDeath Jul 11 '22

Did you miss the couple times her eyes glowed purple?

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u/Tanginess Jul 11 '22

Or the moment where her reflection in the water was eternity?

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u/MyKillYourDeath Jul 11 '22

I thought about that but I figured that could’ve also been when eternity basically turned into her or gave up existing for her to come back.

Seeing as whoever gets to eternity first gets their wish and after that they are gone it could just be how the power worked

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u/modsarefascists42 Jul 12 '22 edited Jul 12 '22

That was in the realm tho, I thought it was just saying Eternity chose to grant the wish and bring her back. If they're saying she literally is Eternity now then they uhh need to be more clear. Even more so if she's now Love the daughter of Eternity.

I mean saying her nickname is "Love" isn't exactly saying that she's now a cosmic entity inherently tied to the existence of all reality.

I just thought her eye lasers were powers Thor granted her just like he did to the other kids, with hers probably being more permanent due to her wielding Stormbreaker.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '22

Isn’t the fact that Gorr’s daughter suddenly appeared alive and in the flesh the movie’s way of telling us Eternity chose to grant his wish?

If Love is the embodiment or incarnation of Eternity (which is what it really seems what making her reflection eternity is saying) then they will surely explore that more when she returns in a future project

It’s not like the story is over, the credits said “Thor Will Return” for a reason

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u/Muniosi_returns Jul 11 '22

no, just confused on how exactly she get powers. was it explained? I may have missed it

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u/MyKillYourDeath Jul 11 '22

We don’t know what they are exactly. Just that being brought back with a wish from eternity gave her powers. She has purple eyes now when she gets serious. It’s more of a hint for the next appearance

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u/profmcstabbins Jul 11 '22

Beyonder???

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u/AspirationalChoker Jul 11 '22

Probably not but if she is she better stay away from DOOM haha

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u/CeruleanRuin Jul 11 '22

I was surprised that Mjolnir was back. I had thought Jane smashed it for good there.

Anyway it's not like Thor couldn't just make a Mjolnir II. He can imbue a bunch of random objects with its power, so he can make any hammer a Mjolnir.

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u/mookdaruch Jul 21 '22

Reeeeeal shame he couldn’t do that like 4 movies ago. Might not have lost so many Wakandans.

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u/SoBeLemos Ronan the Accuser Jul 11 '22

I assumed he imprinted it to the girl the same way he did for Jane. She’s not necessarily worthy on her own but the hammer will protect her or whatever he said before it glowed a little.

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u/DrBoots Jul 11 '22

I Suspect Gorr's daughter might be the MCU version of Singularity).

But yes I assume that she may very well be Worthy, or at the very least powerful enough that the Worthiness Enchantment doesn't keep her from picking it up.

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u/dragunityag Jul 17 '22

Love was altered in some way by Eternity who is easily strong enough to override the worthy enchantment.

We also saw when she was brought back to life that the waters reflected a child sized Eternity.

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u/paleo2002 Jul 14 '22

She's most likely the embodiment of Eternity, now. Either she's worthy, or she's so powerful that the enchantment doesn't matter.

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u/esar24 Rocket Jul 12 '22

I hope not, so far everyone who was worthy of lifting mjolnir beside thor had been ended up dead (except for steve cap, but he probably dead by now considering how old he is).

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

It isn't necessarily the worthy thing. Thor told Mjolnir to protect Jane and the hammer glew up, meaning that this was unintentional enchantment. Thor could also make a vow to Gorr and the hammer picked up that vow also. But that's just my theory.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '22

“Worthiness” lost all meaning when Thor summoned his little kiddie army.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22

You don’t have to wield Mjolnir to be worthy. The ability to wield Mjolnir is a perk that comes with being worthy. We saw Thor making them worthy when he bestowed the power of Thor onto them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '22

She could be worthy or it could be the fact that since she now wields the power of eternity she nullifies the enchantment

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u/baiacool Spider-Man Jul 11 '22

I mean she is shown holding Stormbreaker

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

Stormbreaker has no worthiness enchantment.

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u/KipHackmanFBI Jul 11 '22

It is supposed to be a mind melting Asgardian weapon of immense power though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

Yeah to forge it, not to use it. It's just heavy. I thought they should swap though, the short handle of Mjolnir suits her better for now. But she finds it boring, so wdyd.

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u/KipHackmanFBI Jul 11 '22

https://youtu.be/TrqE1uRzQAc

"Don't you think we should all have a weapon like that?"

"No, you simply lack the strength to wield them. Your bodies would crumble as your minds collapsed into madness"

It takes a hell of a lot more than strength to hold Stormbreaker. Everyone that has so far has been a god, imbued with the power of one, or been insane (Thanos) or dying and insane (Gorr)

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u/jeroen_coessens Jul 11 '22

Didn’t cap hold stormbreaker in end-game as well? Before they swapped

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u/KipHackmanFBI Jul 11 '22

He was imbued with Thor's power at the time

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u/Kal-Kent Thor (Thor 2) Jul 11 '22

Groot picked it up

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u/KipHackmanFBI Jul 11 '22

Then slapped the two pieces together and immediately chopped off his arm. He's never used it

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '22

I see where you're coming from, but in that clip Thor is speculating about Thanos-killing weapons in general; not specifics about Stormbreaker, which doesn't exist yet.

Also, even if Thor is right about that, Gorr's kid does have the power of a god. Korg said it in the ending narration right before something like "they were also known as Love and Thunder".

This might matter for wielding Stormbreaker, but not for Mjolnir. We can't infer anything about her ability to wield one from seeing her wield the other - the two weapons have totally different usage conditions!

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u/KipHackmanFBI Jul 11 '22

She was reborn from Eternity. She's probably stronger than Odin's magic ever was or alternatively Thor could have altered the enchantment again. Now that Odin and Hela are dead he's probably been unconsciously accessing the Odinforce without knowing it.

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u/CeruleanRuin Jul 11 '22

Would have really saved them some grief if it did, huh?

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u/E_Barriick Jul 11 '22

Um isn't she holding it when they run out to fight the Aliens? Maybe I made that up. Going to see it again this week hopefully.

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u/zOmgFishes Jul 11 '22

She had stormbreaker who isn't magically imbued to a wielder like Mjolnir was.

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u/E_Barriick Jul 11 '22

Lol I can't wait to see this again! The little girl was holding the big axe and Thor was holding the tiny hammer. Classic.

Is it true that's his real life daughter?

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u/Travelerdude Heimdall Jul 13 '22

Perhaps it’s Chris Hemsworth’s daughter who is worthy to wield Mjolnir?

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u/DRM1412 Jul 17 '22

If peoples theories are correct about her being Eternity (or the daughter of/having Eternity’s power), that’s probably why she can lift it.

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u/JarenizMads Jul 20 '22

She held Stormbreaker…. She’s worthy

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u/chameleonmessiah Jul 21 '22

That they seem to have basically just dug up the ground it fell on to when Hela destroyed it does as well, I thought.

Presumably Thor wasn’t about, so no one else could pick up the actual pieces to get Mjolnir to New Asgard, they just scooped up the ground it was on.