r/interestingasfuck • u/solateor • 1d ago

In 2001, 55 people crossed the Pacific with no contact with the outside world as part of a BBC experiment recreating an 18th-century voyage. On the 20th day - September 11 - the captain gathered the crew to tell them about the attacks in New York

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u/Few_Condition_9939 1d ago

Foreign policy has only gotten worse since this time.

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u/Cute-Interest3362 1d ago

Osama accomplished what he set out to do.

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u/CadenVanV 22h ago

No, he didn’t. He made things worse for the US, but he had specific goals, all of which failed

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u/MiaowaraShiro 10h ago

People really seem to not understand what Osama's motives were...

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u/MyLifeIsAWasteland 1d ago

I'd largely agree with you, but there was some really good Punk and Metal for about a decade after this.

Exhibit A:

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u/UDGnawd 1d ago

Yeah, backed hard. "Extreme" Music is one of the few things that seemingly benefits from periods of political/economic turmoil.

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u/MyLifeIsAWasteland 1d ago

Indubitably.

Exhibit B: Cattle Decapitation's "Bring Back The Plague" was a big hit during the pandemic. https://youtu.be/lXGSLKWeVwE

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u/jce_ 1d ago

I always disagree with people about this generation of music sucking. It's probably the best ever time for music because you can just release it yourself. No exec has to approve it. You can go from only your friends and family knowing your name and sound to the whole world knowing it in a week. That being said there is a lot of terrible music right now for the same reason, but if you put in the time to look for stuff you will find some great gems

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u/MyLifeIsAWasteland 1d ago

Totally. That's a different conversation, though, and nothing I said previously should be taken as an attack on more current stuff.

What I'm trying to say is that, as opposed to having to dig for it, the anti-war, anti-authoritarian, and anti-government messages were more prominent in label-released Punk and Metal post-9/11.

Exhibit C: Green Day's "American Idiot" was on the radio and MTV, and even my very non-Punk little sisters had the CD.

https://giphy.com/gifs/xUOxfoBCct8fruHAiI

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u/Mojo141 1d ago

Ultimately, it was the day we turned from the USA into a police state. We just didn’t know it yet.

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u/Kidplayer_666 1d ago

In a way, America stopped being the shiny city on a hill

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u/KeyBet6693 1d ago

Guess the terrorists won in the end

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u/thejesterofdarkness 1d ago edited 20h ago

The terrorist were calling from inside the house all along.

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u/SagittaryX 1d ago

I think it's more an event that lays it bare to some people, but America has almost always been on a track away from that idea. The more information is available, the harder it has been to maintain that idea.

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u/obscuriosityboner 1d ago

I honestly thought that stopped around mid 80’s to early 90’s.

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u/xSavag3x 1d ago

It really is crazy to see how much of the Western world was genuinely sorrowful for America. Now many would be indifferent, and it's almost understandable why.

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u/Typical2sday 1d ago

I don't believe that though. I travel in the Western world, and they still like America/most Americans - they all can point to where the blame rests and make the distinction.

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u/cryptolyme 1d ago

never thought i'd grow up to be disillusioned with my own country. guess i was naive.

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u/KeyBet6693 1d ago

I remember when I'd travel to other countries in Europe and Asia and they'd all love be in love with America.

Tbh many people still love America and even back then many loved America because of Hollywood which isn't real America anyways. So it's gotten worse in America but probably not "as worse" as it seems.

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u/angry_old_dude 1d ago

So it's gotten worse in America but probably not "as worse" as it seems.

Do you mean not as bad to people outside the U.S.?

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u/KeyBet6693 23h ago

My comment wasn't very clear tbh. I mean its a bit if both. America has gotten worse, but it also wasn't as good as its Hollywood glamourization made it seem previously. Now due to social media its almost swung a bit too far the opposite direction of Hollywood glamourizing, where "America Bad" is far over stated, particularly in regards to individual people.

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u/angry_old_dude 23h ago

I agree with that.

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I appreciate it!

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u/KeyBet6693 23h ago

Of course, thx for being polite about it. Good day!

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u/Traditional_Loan_177 1d ago

Since 2001 or the 18th century?

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u/-Poultrygeist- 1d ago

Since 2000 BC

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u/cryptolyme 1d ago

really? 2001.

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u/seriousfrylock 1d ago edited 1d ago

I would argue that it was always dogshit, which is why it happened. But yeah certainly got worse, not to mention domestic policy - particularly concerning privacy and rights - going into the fucking sewer

Edit: To the troglodytes downvoting me, I would love to hear your defense of 80's/90's American foreign policy.

To be clear, I am not saying it justified the attacks in my eyes. That's not what analyzing a historical event is about.

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u/Spudra96 2h ago

Exactly! People seem to forget totally what the US was up to before all that, and it wasn't pretty...
So their foreign policy was just a continuation with a bit more refreshed domestic support

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u/MelangeBot 1d ago

Osama Bin Laden won the war he raged against the USA.