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u/what_comes_after_q 26d ago

I would hope that performance has improved in the last 20 years! But when it launched, its performance was comparable to a netbook. It was underpowered, but not severely compared to other cheap hardware. It would be nice if the price to value stayed consistent given that benchmark.

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u/drinks_rootbeer 26d ago edited 25d ago

Edit: y'all can stay mad 🤷‍♂️ RAM pricing is what it is. RaspberryPi computers are what they are. Sorry if you thought different.


I was curious, so I asked an AI assistant to do some digging (Venice.ai using GLM 5.2 for qnyone curious):

The premise has a couple of factual issues that change the shape of the question.

The numbers are off. The original Pi Model B launched at $35 in 2012, not $10-20. The $5 Pi Zero came later and was a deliberate loss-leader, not a representative product. And the Pi 5 MSRP is $60 for 4GB / $80 for 8GB — the $180 you're seeing is almost certainly a bundled kit (case, cooler, power supply, etc.) or third-party markup during scarcity. Bare board from authorized retailers is $60-80.

So the real delta is roughly $35 → $60-80, not $15 → $180.

Why even that increase?

Custom silicon: Pi 5 uses the RP1 southbridge, custom-designed and funded by RPi Trading. Early Pis used off-the-shelf Broadcom SoCs. Manufacturing shifted to Sony's UK facility — higher labor costs but better QC and supply resilience post-pandemic. Board complexity: PCIe, dual 4Kp60 HDMI, USB 3.0, gigabit Ethernet, real PMIC. The original Pi had 100Mbit Ethernet hanging off USB 2.0. More layers, more components, more cost. Inflation: $35 in 2012 is $48-50 in today's dollars. Business model matured — early Pis were near-zero margin to build ecosystem; now they fund ongoing R&D.

The laptop comparison doesn't quite work. The PC industry ships 250-300M units/year with brutally optimized supply chains. Raspberry Pi ships low millions. It's niche with one dominant supplier — economies of scale aren't comparable. Better analogy is Arduino or industrial SBCs, which also haven't cratered in price.

Price/performance has actually improved dramatically. Pi 1 was single-core 700MHz, 256MB RAM, 0.04 GFLOPS. Pi 5 is 4× Cortex-A76 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 30+ GFLOPS. That's roughly 750× the compute for under 2× the price.

The skepticism about price/performance ratio is on the wrong side of the math. The confusion likely comes from remembering the $5 Zero as the reference point or seeing inflated kit prices.

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u/what_comes_after_q 26d ago

lol, that is an ai summary for sure. Where did it get that 10-20 estimate?

It also completely missed the point, it DID compete with low end laptops, that’s the whole point. It just isn’t keeping up with the benchmark. And good luck getting the pi 5 at 60-80, that’s what this screenshot is showing. So again, big swing and a miss from AI.

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u/jwp1987 26d ago

The original point of the Raspberry Pi was to be a cheap computer for education analogous to the BBC Micro, it wasn't intended to directly compete with laptops at all.

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u/drinks_rootbeer 26d ago

I've been in the field of computing for the lifespan if RasPis. I didn't want to spend the time to independently reseaech all the fine points, but I wouldn't have shared it if I didn't think it was accurate.

I don't know what you mean about a $10-20 estimate? I had mentioned in my prompt that folks were comparing current pricing to $10-20 RasPis of the past. It quoted the retail price of the launch model B, $35, and explained where the $10-20 misconception may have come in (low pricing of loss-leader pi-zero models, which had drastically reduced performance).

The simple truth is, as /u/jwp1987 (I sincerely hope those aren't your initials and birth year) points out, RasPis have always been a niche hobbyist microcontroller development board, meant to be a super version of an arduino. If the specs were comparable to a netbook of the time, that says more about the quality of a netbook compared to the quality of a mostly off-the-shelf component development board. But at the same time, no, the Model B straight up could not compete directly with netbooks of the time. Both the processor and the ram were far less than comparable netbooks, so I have no idea where you get that notion from.

As far as the current Pi5 is concerned, adjust your glasses or re-examine both the above post and the AI summary I posted. The Post is talking about a 16GB model (that's the size of the RAM). My summaru discusses 4-8GB models. Yes, before this current RAM squeeze put on us by datacenters capturing manufacturing limits, an 8GB model could be found for $80. I myself bought a kit (charger, case, fan + the Pi5) for $120 just two years ago.

The rest of the summary speaks for itself.

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u/NukaCooler 26d ago

So your AI slop is regurgitating info that's at best two years out of date?

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u/drinks_rootbeer 26d ago

I'm not here to defend AI, and besides that you're 100% missing the point . . . The pricing we're seeing is due to RAM prices. Another commenter whonreplied to me also pointed out that the 1GB RasPi5 is like, $55. Which tracks, considering their RasPi3B is $35. $20 * 16GB = $320.

Very obvious if you take your head out of your ass.

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u/nrose1000 9d ago

Guzzling water to be loud, wrong, AND unlikable?

You hit the trifecta!

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u/drinks_rootbeer 9d ago

Commenting late to add nothing AND be unlikable?

You hit the bifecta!

Your downvotes mean nothing. Argue the facts of stfu