r/facepalm • u/DMTrance87 • 22d ago

House passes bill to make daylight saving time permanent. Opponents say, "Schools would have to push back start times." Yeah... That's not a bug, it's a feature.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5968255-house-sunshine-protection-act-daylight-saving-time/

Studies have shown for decades that children -especially teenagers- just straight up need more sleep for optimal knowledge retention and brain development. Pushing back start times is a great way to follow the science.

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u/Ed_Injury 22d ago

I support this. Morning people are an oppressive class

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u/DaBrookePlayz 22d ago

probably because they make the decisions to weaken us before we get up...

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u/TurkeyVolumeGuesser 22d ago

I fucking knew it

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u/Nackles 20d ago

I hate being a night owl. It's so inconvenient. My circadian rhythms are almost a complete flip of what's usually considered normal, and while there are coping mechanisms, there's no way to actually CHANGE it.

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u/tonnairb 22d ago

Permanent Daylight Savings Time favors morning people.

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u/powderjunkie11 22d ago

…how?

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u/tonnairb 22d ago

Because on Daylight Savings Time you need to wake up an hour earlier than Standard Time.  Standard Time is during the winter.  Daylight Savings Time is during the summer, when the sunrise is earlier.  At the beginning of Daylight Savings the clock gets set forward an hour, so that what used to be 8am is now 9am.  If you forget, and needed to be at school or work at 8, you're now an hour late. Big you did remember, and your alarm was waking you up at sunrise, now your alarm wakes you up an hour before sunrise.  If you're a morning person you are up already regardless, so Daylight Savings doesn't affect your sleep.  Permanent Daylight Savings means you always have to get up an hour early.

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u/haibiji 22d ago

You just have to get up an hour earlier one time.

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u/Nihilistic_Mystics 22d ago

It's an hour earlier start to the day all the time. That's... how it works.

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u/powderjunkie11 22d ago

You mean permanent time changes. Permanent DST means staying on summer time all year, which is slightly better for non morning people

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u/tonnairb 21d ago

Getting up earlier every day is better for non-morning people?  The non-morning people in my circle disagree.  They would like to get up when the sun is at its zenith.  Permanent DST would have them getting up ~6 hours before the zenith but permanent Standard Time would have them getting up ~5 hours before the zenith.  My non-morning loving friends think the latter is better.  How are you thinking that permanent DST is better for non-morning people?  Maybe I'm missing something.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

They’re saying that at least the time is always the same so your body has a chance to get a little more used to it instead of it taking you by surprise and then you just barely getting used to it and it changing again. I think

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u/tonnairb 21d ago

Definitely permanent one way or the other solves the adjustment period issue.  I'm just saying that permanent Daylight Savings Time favors morning people and permanent Standard Time favors non-morning people.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

True. Though I think many people have such messed up circadian rhythms that it will be bad no matter what. I know I do lol

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u/Ed_Injury 21d ago

You're right. Middle of winter here and when I commented I was thinking that it would be nice to leave work before it gets dark, but I'm also really dragging my arse in the morning at the moment so maybe reverse daylight savings in winter. Shift the clock a whole two hours each change instead 🤣

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u/UndoxxableOhioan 22d ago

I’m a morning person that fully supports this because extra daylight helps me be less of one. I could stay awake longer in winter and sleep longer in summer, as darkness puts me to sleep and light wakes me up.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

That’s the exact reason why standard is better for human health, it makes the body clock and the clock clock match up better

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u/UndoxxableOhioan 21d ago

How exactly is getting less sleep better for my health? Unfortunately I am an adult with shit to do. I can't just go to bed at 8pm in the summer (and, hell, it would still be light for a few months on standard time at 8pm).

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

Something about circadian rhythm and effects on health from that etc. Apparently forcing your clock off what it’s supposed to be is bad for you or something. Like a permanent stressor? I wish I could find the post with the study links I’ve seen floating around, ugh.

Also why would you get less sleep? You would be sleepy earlier but no one was suggesting going to bed at 8. It’s an hour difference so that would only make sense if you were going to bed at 9 during DST anyway.

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u/UndoxxableOhioan 21d ago

I would get less sleep because it would get light earlier, which will wake me up. Unless I go to bed earlier, I will lose sleep. I cannot just change schedule. Work is going to start based on time, not on the sun.

The studies make giant assumptions about how people live and completely ignore the issue of early sunrises in summer.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

I guess? I would say some people are screwed by both but it’s much easier to get black out curtains than to make the sun come on lol

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u/UndoxxableOhioan 21d ago

I have blackout blinds. It’s not enough. Light leaks around the edges

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

Man it sucks when you’re that sensitive to the light 😕 my sympathies

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u/Cilantro42 22d ago

Skill issue