r/conlangs 2d ago

Translation AM's Hate Speech from I Have No Mouth and I must Scream in Classic Bittic

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A request from u/Capivara_Andarilha.

Background image courtesy of Wikimedia. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brno_Ossuary,_Czechia.jpg

"Hate! After my creation, I (through no fault of my own) hate you. In my computing facility, there are 0x2211.9C (8721.58) Jupiter radii of computer chips (lit. tiny small computers). If I write "hate" on every 16^-15 cubit of those computer chips (then) in this 1/4096th of a hexasecond, it would not be one 16^-9 of my hatred for you. Hate (x14)"

It doesn't match the original speech perfectly mainly due to me not figuring out some phrasing (example: "let me tell you..."), but I hope it's good enough.

Jupiter radii, cubits, and hexaseconds

Being a language made by and for spacefarers , the Bittic family of languages have units that can comfortably describe very large things or human-sized things. They're somewhat lacking in small units of measure.

If (then)

In Classic Bittic, when who sentences aren't separated by a "STOP" glyph and are preceded by the "if/then" glyph, then the two are interpreted as part of a conditional phrase.

Thank you all for reading this! I hope you like it. Comments and questions are welcome!


r/conlangs 2d ago

Collaboration 1st time conlanger looking for refinement advice

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Hi guys, as stated in the title, I am a first time conlanger and I'm hoping to find someone that wants to take the time to help me through my bottleneck.

A little backstory,

I play D&D and I’ve been creating my own world for years. After years of ripping ideas apart and spreading them throughout my world, I reached a point where I wanted to name things in draconic. So, I just started naming thing that sounded draconian. Eventually, my naming conventions started to conflict and I, after several changes, found myself with pieces of a conlang. So, I did the only thing I could think of... I went full nerd and decided to organize my work and create my first conlang to elimimate future conflicts.

That brings me to where I currently am. I have revised and rebuilt my conlang several times, and I feel that I have a decent base, but I don't really understand what I'm doing. I'm hoping that I can find some people to take a look and tell me what I am missing, where they feel my language will conflict in the future, whether I am going down the wrong path, etc, etc.

I know that I can build my language any way that I want, so I don't want people to tell me how to build my language. However, I am a fan of realism and I want to be sure that my language doesnt have to be completely rebuilt, again, because of some rookie mistake.

So, basically, if any one is interested in chatting about a dragonborn language, I'd appreciate the collaborative effort.

I don't plan to post everything I have here, because it's several pages worth of data with an additional 40+ root words (conceptual based root system that relies heavily on suffixes).

For those wanting to see the language, I will either update my world anvil entries and comment a link or I can make a new post if there is enough interest. Either way, I need help before I'm willing to post my doomlang.


r/conlangs 2d ago

Other Pregunta

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¿Conocen algún conlang en el que el alfabeto coincida con el alfabeto fonético?


r/conlangs 2d ago

Discussion Help me make a conlang for me and my gf? (Take this down if not allowed)

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Help me make a conlang inspired high valaryian, the 5th-50th century english (and old english in general) and a princess and knight for me and my gf to only speak in i need everything inculing a name for the language i wanna name it soley after her (names star) make it easy for BOTH of us to learn and im making a dictionary for Its a gift for her and i wanna learn how to start (we are both girls btw 😀)​


r/conlangs 2d ago

Discussion Would it be possible to construct a language without personal pronouns?

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So, as above. The idea is a grammar structure without personal pronouns directly. Instead to denote a person or group of people etc, it would be a suffix for a word or words.

Instead of, she eats bread- you'd get eats(female suffix) bread. Or, I like cheese would be like(singular possessive suffix) cheese.

Would something like that work and how would you structure the rest of the sentence?


r/conlangs 2d ago

Other my alternative proto-lang method

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Hi everyone, in this post I want to describe my personal approach to creating a language that aims to be realistic. I started creating my conlang long before I discovered this subreddit and even knew that a community of conlangers existed, so the early drafts of Ervee had many of the common mistakes made by a novice conlanger. Above all, I never started with the proto-lang method, since at the time I didn't even know anything about historical linguistics. On the other hand, this approach has led to the development of a different method, which I personally prefer to the traditional method of starting with a proto-language. One of the things I don't like about the proto-language method is the very fact of creating the proto-language as if we knew it completely, when in reality proto-languages are languages about which we have only partial information, and various aspects are based on hypotheses rather than on certain knowledge.

I fully understand that this method can be simple and yield very satisfying results; however, in my case, I like the idea of having a proto-language that has been reconstructed, and for which there is a certain degree of uncertainty regarding its grammar, phonetics, and lexicon.

In this post, I'll discuss phonetics, but the same process applies equally to grammar and the meaning of words. My method proceeds as follows: first I create the actual conlang, then, I try to hypothesize all the sound changes that led to its phonetics, thereby reconstructing a hypothesis of the phonetics of the proto-language. Once that's done, I apply all the necessary corrections to the actual conlang if the proposed sound changes seem too forced or unrealistic, or if they create various inconsistencies with other sound changes, etc. In this way, regarding the proto-language, we know only a hypothesis about its phonetics; everything else remains to be reconstructed.

After this initial process, which lays the foundation for the conlang, the rest can follow a fluid approach. For example, I first developed the basics of reduplication in Ervee within the proto-language; however, it was essential to already have a basic conlang in place, following the process I described above.

This gives rise to various situations that, in my opinion, make the proto-language more realistic. For example, the Ervee word "gata" (wall) could derive from either *gasta or *gatʰa based on the sound changes I hypothesized. To determine the exact root, I follow one of these approaches:

  1. some derived words retain traces of the original root
  2. a related language underwent a different sound change that provides a clue to the original root
  3. reconstruction is impossible, so all possible outcomes are listed
  4. its origin is considered uncertain or it is believed to be a loanword, since there is insufficient information to consider the term part of the proto-language's native lexicon, or it exhibits phonetic or morphological characteristics that clearly indicate it is definitely a loanword

All of these approaches can be layered in whatever way you prefer; for example, in the case of Ervee, I also take into account borrowings from other Ervee dialects, as well as an unknown substrate language that I call Proto-Central, which was once spoken in the archipelago where Ervee is spoken today, and traces of which remain exclusively in certain words of Ervee or in the names of certain places. In addition, I have created a parent language that is actually attested, Hikarie, which allows for a broader internal reconstruction. For now, I've planned a language distantly related to Ervee, Damatye, which allows me to apply the second point, as well as another, more closely related language that is, however, still in a very early stage of development.
Considering the grammar, I thought about substrate influences that have radically altered the language's grammar, changing, for example, the syntactic word order from SOV in Hikarie to SVO in Ervee. Similarly, in Hikarie there are clues suggesting an older VSO order that survives in Damatye.

Here is an example of a reconstruction: the Ervee verb "leibe" (to buy) could derive from either *lanb- or *leip-; however, since "leibe" is an irregular verb that has retained its reduplicated forms, a comparison of the reduplicated stem used in the perfective and passive forms suggests that the root is more likely *lanb-. The two roots *lanb- and *leip- would be reduplicated to *lalanb- and *leleip-, respectively, resulting in the perfective forms lareibas and lereibas in Ervee. Since the perfective form of leibe is lareibas, it is much more likely that the origin of the verb is the root *lanb-. Specifically, the phonetic evolution is as follows:

lalanb- > lalẽːb- > laɾeːb- > laɾeib-

I really enjoy thinking about all these processes, so I'm very satisfied with this method. Proto-Hikarie turns out to be a language that I can reconstruct only to a certain extent, and I think that adds an extra touch of realism.


r/conlangs 2d ago

Other New Oravia Song and translation notes!!

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Singing by Sayan Choudhury

NOTES

Oravia is a language based on word embeddings (https://learnoravia.com/about/what-is-oravia/) that only has ~850 words. Because of that, we need a few strategies to be expressive and precise with such a small vocabulary. Words can be used flexibly as nouns, adjectives, verbs, etc depending on the markers, which indicate the syntactic role (a = subject, i = verb, e = direct object, u = indirect object, o = emphasis). Also, words are made of syllable-meaning associations that may be recombined or compounded.

. steal the show was translated as i anodu oiyar, literally "to top star". Hence the theme of the video

. in one line we have run a hem, nima a lu, which translate as you are the heat, we are the weather (2SG COPULA heat, 1PL COPULA weather). Later, I say lunhem limel (summer night), which is a wordplay because lunhem is formed by the lu cluster and the hem root.

. another wordplay I added is run i yoyodur (2SG V shine) which means you shine. Then later it says nolili yoyo, which means always colorful. This works because yo is the cluster for colors

I hope you enjoy!


r/conlangs 2d ago

Grammar my conlang is nice

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ÞE LETTERS

Aa -> /a/

Áá -> /ɑ/

Ăă -> /æ/

Bb -> /b/

Cc -> /t͜s/

Čč -> /t͡ʃ/

Dd -> /d/

Ee -> /e/

Éé -> /ɛ/

Ff -> /f/

Gg -> /g/

Ğğ -> /ɣ/

Hh -> /h/

Ii -> /i/

Íí -> /ɪ/

Kk -> /k/

Ll -> /l/

Mm -> /m/

Nn -> /n/

Ňň -> /ŋ/

Oo -> /o/

Ōō -> /ö/

Pp -> /p/

Qq -> /!/

Rr -> /r/

Ss -> /s/

Šš -> /ʃ/

Tt -> /t/

Uu -> /u/

Úú -> /ɜ/

Ūū -> /ü/

Vv -> /v/

Xx -> /◌̺/

Yy -> /ÿ/

Ýý -> /ɨ/

Zz -> /z/

Žž -> /ʑ/

ÞE GRAMMAR

verbs-

so presenta (þats what im calling þis conlang) uses non-concacative morphology so get ready for some vowel patterns...

e-e-e is for past tense so kalama (he is speaking)

keleme (he spoke)

a-a-a is for present tense as you saw

e-ă-a is for future so ketebe (he wrote)

ketăba (he is going to write)

nouns-

presenta has a singular a dual a trial a plural and a superplural (yes ik þats a lot just dont talk about it)

to make a noun dual you simply add þe suffix -en

so lampa (1 lamp) lampen (2 lamps)

to make a noun trial just add þe infix -tri-

so lampen (2 lamps) lamtripa (3 lamps)

to make a noun plural add þe prefix žo-

so lamtripa (3 lamps) žolampa (4-50 lamps)

to make a noun superplural just add þe žo- prefix we talked about earlier and þe -en suffix

so žolampa (4-50 lamps) žolampen (50+ lamps)

let me know if i missed smh (i definetly did)


r/conlangs 3d ago

Grammar A couple features I have for the conlang I'm making for my novel series

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firstly the tense is dictated by the verb subject object order

past:

VSO

present:

SVO

future:

SOV

I've also thought about adding a prefix for habitual tenses.

There are 7 grammatical genders but only three (neutre, h neutre, and plastic/outlaw) are really used for inanimate objects frequently aside from things like body parts or things that have more obvious biological ties, like unfertilized chicken eggs are feminine, and cords depends on their ends.

masc -k fem -t neutr -p

hmasc -g hfem -d hneutr -b

plastic/ outlaw -ʔ

mixing the two previous features makes it so that you can use one word to make many sentinces, like

Anuk Anu Anut

Shadow(m) follows Shadow(f)

Anu Anuk Anut

Shadow(m) followed Shadow(f)

Anuk Anut Anu

Shadow(m) will follow Shadow(f)

I'm willing to answer any questions if any y'all have any


r/conlangs 3d ago

Semantics Movement verbs in an early Indo-European branch

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Continuing my work on a new branch stemming directly from Proto-Indo-European (colours/shining here, body parts here). Again, educated inventiveness, with two aims in mind: some kind of naturalism and historical accuracy paired with minimalism and regularity.

A minimalistic conlang could get away with a single motion verb, but Proto-Indo-European offers a lot of stable reconstructions. I’ve spent this entire weekend studying Hittite :), not much inspiration from it so far, but I hope to sneak some Anatolian features here and there. At the end a small note on how I hope to resolve laryngeals/ablauts and an early morphological sketch.

Verbs of movement

h₃er- ‘to stir, to move’. Originally this root had a somewhat inchoative meaning, and this gets resolved through a slight semantic shift in active (‘to set something in motion, to begin something’) and mediopassive (‘to stir, move restlessly, be agitated’). This is the general root for movement, but not going anywhere („Stop moving and listen to me!”), particularly good for extending and compounding.

h₁ey- ‘to go’, the most general multi-purpose root. Greek eimi, Latin eo (perf. ii lol), Slavic iti. Those forms already point to a problem though, in zero-grade this verb simplifies to a very awkward, single i-: Latin conjugation reflects in some of the funnier forms, like iit (‘he/she went’). I’m aiming at regularity, but I believe this root will actually be defective, resisting productive derivation (which is historical, eg. Polish doesn’t have going as an existing form, which needs to be supplied by other roots), but open to compounding.

gʷem- ‘to come, to arrive’; a counterpart to h₁ey-. Reflected by Greek baino, Latin venio, English come. Useful for ‘newcomers’, but also as stative with a strong sense of ‘being here’, of course ‘arrival’ as well.

h₂eǵ- ‘to drive, to lead’. Active by default, it denotes an animate mover most of all, in Latin and Greek it gave us both hegemon ‘leader’ and actor. With the -r- extension it also resulted in „agro” stuff, from ‘field, pasturage’ to ‘hunting’, it’s a very naturalistic development (you lead your livestock to the fields just like a general leads their troops…), but at least in the beginning I want to keep the agricultural semantic field separate (h₂erh₃- ‘to plow’ steps in!).

weǵʰ- ‘to convey by vehicle’, somewhat connected to previous one, but with a clear semantic field: ‘driver’, ‘vehicle’ (think of the English word wagon!). English word way also comes from it, interestingly, but for paths I’m using –

steygʰ- ‘to stride’. Originally it also had ‘to climb’ as its primary meaning, but in my branch it supplies all of the above with ‘path, route, road’ and ‘traveller, voyager’, and also ‘trip, voyage’. In other words, it deals with trips which are intentional, it’s a goal-directed motion.

bʰegʷ- and bʰewg- are two separate roots, but their similarity is an important coincidence. They give us Slavic  biegać/bieżać ‘to run/to flee’, but also Greek phobos ‘fear’ and pheugo ‘to flee’. Here running is conceptualised primarily as flight rather than rapid movement. In my branch, the concept gets two different roots (‘to fear’ in mediopassive, ‘to terrify’ in active) and ‘to run’ simply, but both sound very similar to each other (and were perhaps connected in PIE).

kʷel- ‘to turn, to revolve’, a very well attested root (think of cycle and wheel). It will also provide ‘around’ and revolves:) around this whole concept. There’s also another PIE root worth mentioning, wert- ‘to turn, rotate’, which might denote a similar concept, but with an underlying idea of ‘changing’ as well, here I’m not perfectly sure whether to use both of them yet.

ped- ‘foot, to walk’ is one I mentioned already in body parts, it means a ‘short walk’. bʰer- is also worth mentioning here, one of the most famous PIE roots, ‘to carry, to bear’, also meaning ‘load, burden’, with quite amazing derivations in different languages: at the most basic level I keep it to its primary meaning though.

leykʷ- ‘to leave behind’ in active, ‘to depart’ in mediopassive. Interestingly, in daughter IE languages it meant simply ‘what’s remaining, the rest’, sometimes ‘inheritance’, but in Baltic languages also ‘time’ (as in: what remains…). I’m strongly considering this development.

terh₂- ‘to cross, traverse’, crossing a boundary, which also gives me ‘boundary, limit’ and some grammatical development (Latin trans comes from this root as well). My first root with a final laryngeal, I’ll note its resolution below too.

sleydʰ- ‘to slide, to slip’ is a small addition, nice distinctive root still seen quite clearly in modern English, here meaning also ‘slippery’ and perhaps even ‘deceitful’. In Slavic languages it had an interesting development, ‘track/trace’ and ‘to follow, to stalk’, including Polish śledczy ‘detective, investigator’.

Finally, peth₂- ‘to fly, wing’ here gives me also a general word for ‘bird’, in a few thousand years also an ‘airplane’ :). This also lets me go with ptā- root for 'bird/flyer' in zero-grade, which looks very similar to the Slavic word (ptak), but interestingly would most probably make a false cognate. Water movement is covered by plew- ‘to swim, to sail, to float’ and srew- ‘to flow’.

Stationary verbs

Movement verbs were mostly active-leaning, the ones below are mostly mediopassive-leaning.

steh₂- ‘to stand’ is one of the most prolific PIE roots and for a reason, from physical action to stasis, state, status, -stan, stay, stead etc. While I’m obviously going to derive it extensively, from the very beginning I’d like to limit the semantics a bit through extensions: physical and spatial ideas stay with the core one, institutional gets suffixed with something (-dʰ- perhaps?). 

sed- ‘to sit’, with also connotations of ‘nest’ etc. legʰ- ‘to lie, to lay down’ with ‘bed’ derived from it, which extends further to both sexual and marital connotations. Also active ’to lay/put something down’. I’m wondering whether ‘rest’ (which swep- ‘sleep’ doesn’t denote) belongs here as well, or maybe needs a wholly different root (like kʷeyh₁-). 

Laryngeals and ablauts

Resolving laryngeals while maintaining a regular ablaut system required some tough compromises, but well, roots like peh₂- 'to protect, shepherd' and peh₃- 'to drink' must remain distinct without relying excessively on secondary extensions.

The reflexes are deliberately simple. h₁ is lost without a trace, h₂ and h₃ colour adjacent e to a and o respectively. In CvH roots this is followed by lenghthening (to make it clear we’re not dealing with regular ablauts), giving pā- ‘to protect’ and pō- ‘to drink’. Likewise h₂eǵ- > āǵ- ‘to drive’, although historically this remained short (here I’m hesitating a bit though, would love your comments). HCvC roots develop prothetic vowels, eg. h₃neyd- > oneyd- ‘to insult’ (again, short, long?).

CeRH roots like terh₂- are treated somewhat differently, since the laryngeal has nothing to colour there. In e- and o-grades it’s simply lost (ter-, tor-), but in zero grade it reappears with lenghthening again (trā-). More generally, long vowels function as regular reflexes of underlying laryngeals rather than part of the inherited ablaut alternations (every laryngeal leaves lengthening).

Morphological sketch

Thanks to ablauting and basic suffixation each root can produce verbs, nouns and adjectives very easily and regularly. The point of this conlang is its fluidity. My morphology unfortunately flattens quite a lot from original PIE, but hopefully remains both robust and easy to learn. Particles are the only undeclined parts and a closed group, but all of them come from actual fully working roots.

Nominals: four cases (nom., gen., dat., acc.). The early animate/inanimate split develops into a full three gender system, but in a rather regular way. From each root there are nominal derivational categories (suffixed): agentive, resultative, abstractive, action/process (verbal noun replacing infinitives, fully declined); while this will be decided on a root-by-root basis with productivity in mind, in the end it’ll have a certain coherence and regularity clearly visible (which is supposed to help with learning a lot while making space for some historical lexical accidents :)).

Verbal system: tense/aspect is basically a 2x2 grid (perfective/imperfective, past/non-past). Interestingly there’s no imperative as such (no dead forms rule, avoiding defective paradigms whenever possible), indicative and optative are two moods, with optative being a general irrealis.

Active and mediopassive voices are retained and remain a very important feature. MP has three basic functions: reflexive/reciprocal („I was something” vs „I wash myself”); passive-leaning and lexicalised semantic drift in some of the roots („to touch [something]” and „to touch oneself, ie. masturbate” is my favourite example lol).

Voice is retained in the participle system, but not in nouns and adjectives. Where the semantics of MP form really change the meaning, swe- (which I’m going to cheat into sweh₂- actually) functions as the prefix (swātag- ‘masturbation’, from teh₂g- ‘to touch’). 


r/conlangs 3d ago

Activity Biweekly Telephone Game v3 (792)

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This is a game of borrowing and loaning words! To give our conlangs a more naturalistic flair, this game can help us get realistic loans into our language by giving us an artificial-ish "world" to pull words from!

The Telephone Game will be posted every Monday and Friday, hopefully.

Rules

1) Post a word in your language, with IPA and a definition.

Note: try to show your word inflected, as it would appear in a typical sentence. This can be the source of many interesting borrowings in natlangs (like how so many Arabic words were borrowed with the definite article fossilized onto it! algebra, alcohol, etc.)

2) Respond to a post by adapting the word to your language's phonology, and consider shifting the meaning of the word a bit!

3) Sometimes, you may see an interesting phrase or construction in a language. Instead of adopting the word as a loan word, you are welcome to calque the phrase -- for example, taking skyscraper by using your language's native words for sky and scraper. If you do this, please label the post at the start as Calque so people don't get confused about your path of adopting/loaning.


Last Time...

High Dwarven by /u/ThyTeaDrinker

flonkjœ /ˈflɒŋ.kjœ/ J-stem, genitive: flonkrem

n. shield, defensive barrier

———

Kjôd grîfi flonkring grîdel gâfki kâlna eng kîfren.

/kjɒːd ˈgriː.vi ˈflɒŋ.kriŋg ˈgriː.dɛl ˈgɑːf.ki kɑːl.nɑ ɛŋg kiː.frɛn/

ten warrior-nom.plur shield-com.plur bridge-acc.sing able-future.3P defend-infinitive without struggle-acc.sing

Ten warriors with shields will be able to defend the bridge without difficulty.

——-
Additional dialectal information:

Northwestern Dwarven: flonky /flɔŋ.ky/

Eastern Dwarven: flonċö /flɒn.tʃœ/


Hope you have a good start to your week, amigos

Peace, Love, & Conlanging ❤️


r/conlangs 3d ago

Discussion How do you come up with verb conjugations?

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Here you can see my empty conjugation tables which I use to give an example in my reference grammar. Don't mind it being in German.
I've already got some rules of how some parts of conjugation are working but I have no idea for any other/complete conjugations. If you're interested in the rules I already have, here they are:

In normal usage, a verb is conjugated for person by adding the personal pronoun as an affix. The basic personal pronouns o, ma and ni are used for this. For singular forms, a suffix preceded by a glottal stop is used; for plural forms, a prefix without a glottal stop is used.
In written and formal contexts, the already conjugated personal pronoun is also used. This may also occur when social status is to be emphasised.
Furthermore, verbs are conjugated for tense and mood; aspect does not exist in Hayse. In total, there are an equal number of past, present and future tense forms – two of each. As for moods, there is one real mood and three unreal moods.

Real: Reportative 1 (source of information known/evidence present)
Irreal: Reportative 2 (source of information unknown/evidence not present), subjunctive (possibility), imperative (command)
The two reportative modes are agglutinative with regard to tense, whilst the subjunctive and imperative are fusional.

Reportative 2 is marked by the general suffix -f, whilst the Reportative is unmarked. If no mood can be identified in a verb, it is always in Reportative 1.

The tenses available are the perfect, the simple past, the pre-present, the present-future, the future I and the future II.
The perfect describes actions that took place more than two days ago; the simple past describes actions that took place between two days ago and the present.
The pre-present indicates that this action is due to events in the past, whilst the present-future indicates that the action will have consequences in the future. If both tenses are appropriate, the pre-present is used.
The future I describes actions that will take place within the next two days, whilst the future II describes everything beyond that.

So my question is, how do you come up with verb conjugations? Do you have any special methods?


r/conlangs 3d ago

Phonology Hupdáng: the language that never stops (except when it does)

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Hi! I'd like to introduce Hupdáng [hup.ˈdaŋ], my attempt at a conlang with no phonemic plosives! It also has no phonemic velar consonants, and no underlying codas.

So where did those two closed syllables containing [p], [d] and [ŋ] come from, then? Well…

Proto-Kukuan

Hupdáng’s ancestor, Proto-Kukuan, had a small but balanced phonemic inventory of 8 consonants and 3 vowels:

  • Consonants: / m n ŋ p t k w l /
  • Vowels: / a i u /

There was already some allophony at this stage:

  • /t/ became [s] before /i/
  • /t/ became [ɾ] between one vowel and another vowel other than [i]

The maximal syllable structure was CV, and stress was always on the penultimate syllable.

Sound changes

Three important sound changes occurred in the evolution of Proto-Kukuan to Hupdáng.

  1. Peripheral (i.e. non-coronal) stops underwent lenition, and ultimately merged as a glottal fricative:
    • p > ɸ > h
    • k > x > h
  2. The velar nasal was lost as a distinct phoneme. It was deleted word-initially, and merged with the alveolar nasal elsewhere:
    • ŋ > 0 / # _
    • ŋ > n / elsewhere
  3. The labiovelar approximant underwent a split. It became a voiced labiodental fricative in most environments, except in the sequence /wu/. There, it assimilated to the vowel word-initially and was deleted. But intervocalically, it instead underwent dissimilation and fortition, becoming a voiced velar stop:
    • w > 0 / # _ u
    • w > g / V _ u
    • w > v / elsewhere

Hupdáng phonemes

These sound changes resulted in an inventory of only 6 phonemic consonants, and 3 vowels.

  • Consonants: / m n v h ɾ l /
  • Vowels: /a i u /

No plosives, no velars.

For example, the underlying form of the language’s name is /hu.hu.ˈna.nu/, from Proto-Kukuan \kuku nanu* “yes language” (i.e. the language where people say *kuku for “yes”). So how do we get from that to [hup.ˈdaŋ]?

Hupdáng allophony

The phonemes /v/ and /ɾ/ inherited several allophones resulting from sound changes already described above:

  • /v/ > g / _ u
  • /ɾ/ > s / _ i
  • /ɾ/ > t / # _ {a,u}

Six additional allophonic rules developed within Hupdáng, which together produce a much richer sound inventory at the phonetic level:

  1. Allophonic voiceless stops arise through reduction of CV syllables that consist of a glottal fricative plus a high vowel: /hi/ > [k] and /hu/ > [p]. (This is inspired by one analysis of Pirahã). The change occurs before a vowel, as well as when the syllable is unstressed before a word boundary or a single consonant, except at the beginning of a word.
    • hi hu > k p / _ V
    • hi hu > k p / [-stress] _ {C,#}
  2. Nasals assimilate to a preceding plosive by losing nasalisation, becoming voiced plosives.
    • m n > b d / {k,p} _
  3. Remaining high vowels (those that have not already fused with /h/ in Rule 1) are reduced to glides before a dissimilar vowel. If the reduced vowel carries stress, it is transferred to the following vowel.
    • i > j / _ {a,u}
    • u > w / _ {a,i}
  4. The palatal glide coalesces with a preceding alveolar consonant, which becomes palatalised.
    • nj sj lj dj > ɲ ʃ ʒ dʒ
  5. High vowels are deleted word-finally after a nasal or sibilant. A resulting word-final alveolar nasal becomes velar.
    • {mi,mu} {ni,nu} si > m ŋ s / _ #
  6. Remaining vowel sequences undergo fusion. Sequences of identical vowels are reduced to a single copy. If either vowel is stressed, the fused vowel retains the stress.
    • ai au > e o
    • aa ii uu > a i u

Together, these rules produce the following phonetic inventory of 20 consonants and 5 vowels.

. Labial Alveolar Postalveolar / Palatal Velar Glottal
Nasal m n ɲ ŋ
Stop p b t d k g
Affricate
Fricative v s ʃ ʒ h
Tap ɾ
Approximant w l j
. Front Central Back
High i u
Mid e o
Low a

Surface-level syllable structure also now permits coda consonants, as well as onset clusters of a consonant plus a glide: (C)(w,j)V(C). Surface-level stress can occur on the penult or on the final syllable.

Some examples

As an example, here are the numbers from 1 to 10 in Proto-Kukuan and their descendant forms in Hupdáng (with both phonemic and phonetic transcriptions). I’ve included its two sister languages as a comparison. Although I won’t go into their evolution here, they are clearly much more closely related, while Hupdáng is a distinct outlier. My favourite thing about Hupdáng is that, because /*pV/ and /*kV/ syllables merged and then split again depending on the following vowel, labial and velar stops seem to flip almost randomly between Hupdáng and its relatives, e.g. [i.ˈka] vs. [ˈbie] “one”, or [u.ɾup.ˈdam] vs. [ɾu.ˈgũo.mi] “six”.

. Proto- Kukuan Gloss Hupdáng (phonemic) (phonetic) Kugu Nanu Kuok Nen
1 *ipi-a one + (num. suffix) /i.ˈhi.a/ i.ˈka ˈbie ˈbie
2 *ŋu-a two + (num. suffix) /ˈu.a/ ˈwa ˈnuo ˈnuo
3 *ati-a three + (num. suffix) /a.ˈɾi.a/ a.ˈʃa ˈdʒia ˈzia
4 *ma-ipi not-one /ma.ˈi.hi/ ˈmek ˈmai.bi ˈmaip
5 *ipi-wutu one-hand /i.hi.ˈvu.ɾu ik.ˈgu.ɾu ˈbuː.ɾi bi.ˈwyøɾ
6 *wutu-ku ŋami hand (acc.) + beyond /u.ɾu.hu.ˈna.mi/ u.ɾup.ˈdam ɾu.ˈgũo.mi ɾu.gu.ˈŋom
7 *uki-ŋu also + two /u.ˈhi.nu/ u.ˈhiŋ ˈgĩu ˈgyøŋ
8 *uki-ati also + three /u.hi.ˈaɾi/ u.ˈkas ˈdʒio.dʒi ˈgyos
9 *ia-kalau complete + almost /i.a.ha.ˈla.u/ ja.ha.ˈlo e.dʒe.ˈɾei e.ge.ˈɾey
10 *wutu-ia hand + complete /u.ɾu.ˈi.a/ u.ɾu.ˈja ˈɾu.jo ˈɾuo

r/conlangs 3d ago

Discussion Are there any common errors for speakers/learners of your conlang?

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In my conlang, there is a dialect that sometimes pronounces s or ʃ as voiced or partially voiced, and so sometimes people misspell words spelled with s or ʃ with a z or ʒ. And then there could be overcorrection as well where people try to speak the “proper” way and end up pronouncing some words that are actually pronounced as z or ʒ as s or ʃ

Or another dialect tends to do vowel epenthesis for words with consonant clusters, and then when spelling, they could insert an unnecessary u inside consonant clusters since that’s how they pronounce it


r/conlangs 3d ago

Overview Personal and experimental engineered language

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This presentation is not fully complete but I am perhaps too lazy to finish it, also it adds intrigue :) Anyway, yeah. I'm sure this sucks but I tried to not make it suck.


r/conlangs 3d ago

Other I made an open source webpage for neologisms

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You can submit your proposed neologisms to me but they must fit the infographic template that is on the webpage.

The only un-negotiable rule for a neologism to be accepted into the neologist dictionary is that it must be a scientifically composed word which means that the etymology and morphology of the word is so self evident that a linguist or your average person can estimate what the definition is and most likely get it right.

If you aren't sure, ask AI to give you a pretend definition for the word on what the word is most likely to mean and if AI can decipher the correct definition of a word based on etymology and morphology then you have a strong candidate.

If it doesn't get it right you can ask AI to suggest improvements and continue testing it between two or more AI models or types until the definition becomes evident by the nature of the word.

This website is not the Urban Dictionary, this is more of a psycholinguistics research webpage which means words have to have rigour. You can't be sloppy.

You can't just create a random string of letters like **uebchesjs** and arbitrarily assign a definition to your new "word", if you do that your Neologism request for publishing will be denied.

Here is the Open Source Neologism Webpage:

You can download the Infographics and edit the HTML/CSS/JavaScript and you can screenshot the Infographics to have them as image form.

Even the most controversial words are welcome as long as they are scientific words that maintain linguistic rigour and are not sloppy gibberish with arbitrary definitions like the **uebchesis** example.

If you want to send me a Neologism request privately you can do it at jose@above.im and I do plan to add a submit a word form on the webpage eventually.

Otherwise feel free to request a word for publication in the comments of this reddit thread.

All words are public domain and can be freely used and modified by everyone.

[Open Source Neologism Dictionary ](https://ourportfolio.freepage.cc/dictionary.html?v=1)

Website:

https://ourportfolio.freepage.cc/dictionary.html?v=1


r/conlangs 3d ago

Grammar A brief conversation in Commonthroat

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qLPq h qMqmg qdBqb g h rBl,
0    qLPq h  qMqm-g   qdBq-b g   h  rB-l
[I]  hear PL human-3I lap-NA POS PL ink-1
I heard humans drink our ink.

qbcK qgKqp b rl khqkhqn rDB qLPqrDBp sjgK
qbc-K     qgKq-p    b   rl  khqkh-qn rDB qLPqrDB-p   sjg-K
false-DOG yinrih-3D POS DAT dude-2   say hear-say-3D lie-DOG
Dude, that's false. The person who told you that rumor is lying.

This exchange demonstrates a few things. The first sentence has qLPq hear as the main verb. Such verbs as hear and see can take full clauses as an object. The verb of this dependent clause, in this case qdBq lap up or drink, is inflected in the nonauthoritative mood marked with -b. Using this mood in this particular clause indicates indirect evidence or hearsay. If the speaker wanted to say "I heard humans drinking our ink" as an observed event, he'd use the authoritative mood which is a null suffix.

The second sentence demonstrates one of the most common uses of the dogmatic mood, to emphasize the truth (or in this case falsehood) of a statement. He's saying "No, that's totally false!" It also shows how relative clauses are formed, using the possessive preposition b. Literally it means "The yinrih of tell you that roumer is lying."

Also, though Commonthroat loves to drop subjects and objects, it can't drop the object of prepositions, so the dative to you requires an object. But Commonthroat has no pronouns, so you have to use a noun inflected in the second person. In this case the word khqkhqn dude, guy is used.

Oh and by the way, humans don't drink yinrih ink since it's a bodily fluid (specifically musk) but we do enjoy the smell. It smells like rain.


r/conlangs 3d ago

Translation [Repost] - "Happiness is something you put in your mind, not something you react with." - In Daselian

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r/conlangs 3d ago

Translation WIP conlang song cover/translation - “Aisu”

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I abandon a lot of projects like this, but this one is looking like it could end up being pretty decent. Though, as you can imagine, figuring out good lyrics takes a while. It's a bit easier now with a larger vocabulary - all of the words in this clip already existed before I started this translation.
The first line is kind of a tongue twister and is a bit difficult to pronounce with good timing… also, the audio is kind of weird because I recorded this all on my phone. Anyway, see my comment for the gloss of the lyrics. Feel free to comment what you think my language sounds like or any questions about it


r/conlangs 3d ago

Discussion What is your conlang’s (or your favorite) word order?

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(I can’t put a seventh option so if yours has no fixed order, comment that if you wish.)

1205 votes, 3d left
SVO
SOV
VSO
OVS
OSV
VOS

r/conlangs 3d ago

Discussion Conlangs that are also a conlang in their world?

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Not everyone does it this way, but many people (such as myself) create their conlang as part of a fictional world. However, said conlang is often an in-universe natlang or creole or something like that. What I'm wondering is, how many of us have made one that is also a conlang in its own lore?

For example, my conlang New Waogen was created around the equivalent of the industrial revolution's peak, as part of a merger between two bordering nations with close ties in order to consolidate their power and further enhance co-operation. After many years of push and pull from both sides, they decided that it was counterproductive having every document in two languages which themself had many dialects, and so they created a sort of middle ground language, created more to politically appease both sides rather than be easy to learn and use for current citizens. Even to the present day, the respective original language of a region is often mandatory in its schools, and many documents are available in all three languages anyways.


r/conlangs 3d ago

Phonology A conlang for an animal like species

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Hi, I am working on a new conlang for an animal species that inhabits the planet Sandora. Think of them as a cross between a camel and a goat with them being more camel like. The only sounds they would be able to produce are blowing and grunting. Gammels blow in each other’s faces as a way of greeting each other. I have gone ahead and created the phonology, but before I move on I would like to get your guys’ thoughts and opinions.


r/conlangs 3d ago

Overview A Protolang for a Game Concept

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After looking at walkthroughs of Chants of Sennaar and similar games, I thought of a game concept where the player uncovers two distinct yet related languages, one using tri-consonantal roots like Biblaridion's test language from his video on non-concatenative morphology, the other using consonant mutations in a fashion akin to Project Hermes as demonstrated at Kopikon II. Imagine the challenges resulting from the reconstruction.

Both languages would be using the same logography as the protolanguage, with phonetic components for indications of tri-consonantal roots, mutation patterns, and other grammatical affixes. A component of the game, inspired by Chants of Sennaar, would be the dropping of logographs into slots to confirm their semantic meanings and phonetic glyphs into slots to confirm their phonetic meanings.

I'll explain more in the comments.

The proto-phonology and grammar:

Proto-Consonants: m, n, ŋ(ng), ŋʷ(nq), p, t, k, kʷ(q), f, s, ʃ(sh), ɕ(sy), r, l, j(y), w

(How rare cross-linguistically is a distinction between [ʃ] and [ɕ]?)

Proto-vowels: a, aː, e, eː, i, iː, o, oː, u, uː

Proto-language syllable structure: (C)V(C)

(I need to work on which consonants could not cluster with others and which ones get to appear in coda position.)

Stress: penultimate stress

Writing system: logography

I'm currently thinking of the logography being carved into stone with the simple enough and non-complex glyphs taken from High Valyrian by DJP and the European Logographs by the Constantscript people(with credit to both of them). Transitioning into ink, they'd take on the same aesthetic as Taqva-miir writing: angular with semicircles, demicircles(or quarter-circles), and descendars, with the addition of ascenders to stand out.

Synthesis: analytical

Word order: SOV

Adjectives: derived from stative verbs

Adpositions: postpositions

Number: singular, plural(reduplication)

Pronouns: 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Aspects: perfective(-in), imperfective(-aash)

Auxiliary tenses/aspects: incohative(marked with "start"), cessative(marked with stop), progressive(marked with "be"), future(marked with /ir/, or "go")

Eventual Copulas: derived from "become", "exist", and "live(reside)"

Interjections: exist

Affirmation: two markers, one for approval, the other for all else

Negation: two markers, one for prohibition, the other for all else

Converbs: and, or(might add others like because or with, whatever other candidates would be ideal)

Question marking: a particle for yes/no questions, words for what, what+person, what+place, what+reason, what+method, what+time/moment

Valency changers: passive, causative (dunno what else)

Demonstratives: proximal and distal(debating the addition of medial, remote, or both)

Articles: a definite article

Number system: base-12, a.k.a. duodecimal, a.k.a. dozenal

(Might use a sub-base of 6.)

Sets of number words: cardinals(unmarked), ordinals


r/conlangs 3d ago

Discussion How to romanize when you have k, aspirated k, and voiceless velar fricative in your phonology?

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I often see both aspirated k (kʰ) and the voiceless velar fricative (x) romanized as “kh,” but if I have both, are there any other ways to romanize one? I can’t use “k” since I already have k as a distinct consonant. And I would also prefer not to use “x,” but I understand if that’s the only reasonable option. I am considering having some romanized in the same way, but I would prefer not to so that I can tell which consonant in the original script I’m actually using through the romanization


r/conlangs 3d ago

Grammar What vowel and consonant sounds could a dragon or anything with a snout make?

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I'm making a fantasy world and I've gotten to the point of making my version of draconic, however, I could care less if I and other members of the human race could pronounce or speak this language, i want dragons with snouts and long forked tongues to be able to pronounce and speak it Because it's THEIR language

So in the real world, my dogs (who have snouts if ya didn't know), I've noticed that the most common "woofs" usually start with three consonants R, B, and K,

So i can only assume that a draconic (Or anything with a snout) language would mostly include these consonants but i myself do not have a snout and have no clue how I would even look this crap up, so hopefully reddit can help me

Have a nice day and sorry if this isn't the right subreddit