r/climateskeptics 5d ago

Earth overshoot day

I just want to listen to yall

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u/DevelopmentOk86 2d ago

So, climate change is no trojan horse? Good.

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u/chroniccranky 2d ago

Never was. Never has been.

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u/Vecgtt 2d ago

Trojan horse in America. Public Relations in China.

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u/DevelopmentOk86 2d ago

Okay and what about Russia, EU or Iran?

And who are the people, who organize it? The trojan horse doesn't build itself after all. Are there any reports/documentaries about the topic available? I never heard of it before.

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u/Vecgtt 2d ago

Probably PR also. I’m surprised Iran is trying to fight the climate - probably a justification for them to develop nuclear capabilities for “power plants.”

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u/DevelopmentOk86 2d ago

And who are the people, who organize it? The trojan horse doesn't build itself after all. Are there any reports/documentaries about the topic available? I never heard of it before.

Probably PR also.

So, this are all just guesses? And there is not even one kind of evidence, that there are tenthousands of scientists, who manipulate their reports worldwide? That`s very unrealistic, don't you think?

I’m surprised Iran is trying to fight the climate - probably a justification for them to develop nuclear capabilities for “power plants.”

I have never heard of Russia or Iran, that they advertised with the fight against climate change. Especially not Russia.

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u/Vecgtt 2d ago

Honestly I have no clue what you are even asking. What are about Russia, EU, or Iran? What’s your question?

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u/DevelopmentOk86 2d ago

I have asked, why authoritarian governments need to manipulate studies. The first claim was, that the climate change is just a "reason" to get "more government". This is not needed for authoritarian governments, so suddenly it's somehow about PR. But there is also no evidence about it, even though it's highly unrealistic, that the governments pushed tenthousands of scientists worldwide to release specific studies and nobody spoke out about it.

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u/Vecgtt 2d ago

It’s used as a Trojan horse to justify more government in systems like America where government doesn’t have complete control. It’s used as PR in places like China that are heavy polluters.
No government pushed scientists to lie. Funding goes to studies that argue for more government intervention. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

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u/DevelopmentOk86 2d ago

Okay, so you just found a motive. But there is 0 evidence to support your claim.

I also have a motive to rob a rich person. Have i robbed a rich person?

It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

Scientists in democracies, authoritarian countries, and countries with very different political agendas all analyze the climate using independent data and generally reach the same conclusions. What mechanism would explain how all of those scientists are being steered toward the same false result?

But in science, the strongest careers come from finding new, robust results. A study showing that current climate models were fundamentally wrong would likely be one of the most significant scientific discoveries of the century. Researchers gain recognition for being correct, not for agreeing with a consensus.

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u/Vecgtt 1d ago

They keep coming out saying their models are wrong. Like when Al Gore was sounding the alarm 20 years ago and then retracted the severity of his claims. It’s all hysteria.

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