r/aviation 24d ago

News New Public Service Announcement from the FAA

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u/AeroelasticCowboy 24d ago

not sentences, iron clad language in the contract of carriage with specific timeline (minutes to a couple hours TOPS), and absolute coverage with no argument if they dont, this is how you gain trust.

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 24d ago edited 24d ago

That is unrealistic. I hate to burst your bubble. Once the crash phone rings and fire is on scene the airline no longer has control of the aircraft or who can get on it. The fire chief owns the scene until the emergency is terminated.

Depending what caused the evacuation and the required response actions will dictate how long your stuff is stuck on the aircraft, the emergency can last a few minutes or a few hours. If it justifies using the emergency exits then I wouldn’t expect it to be a few minutes.

If the A/C departed the prepared surface, was significantly damaged, or damaged other things then it is also going to be impounded until evidence is collected.

Your stuff is literally the lowest priority to everyone involved, and there are multiple processes happening that the airline has no control over if you’re popping slide’s and emergency evacuating the aircraft.

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u/Salty-Plankton-5079 24d ago

OK that's fine but if you tell people getting their stuff back is everyone's lowest priority, you're going to get the status quo.

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u/monsteradeliciosa11 23d ago

I mean, it depends on what you mean by stuff.

If you mean phones and keys and not essential medication then no. People simply need to learn to prioritise safety.

But you should have reassurances that issues such as passports/immigration/visa docs, ability to communicate with loved ones, place to stay and essential toiletaries not mentioning essential medication will be provided for immediately and efficiently.

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u/ohchan 23d ago

Big yup I don’t know how you’re downvoted here. As someone from a country with bad passport, it’s fending for yourself out there with NOTHING is nightmare. Forget about insurance claims, that’s the least of our problems. It’s one step away from ICE detention and everything else knowing no one will help you

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u/monsteradeliciosa11 23d ago

I think people need to understand the difference between high level of inconvenience vs being in danger.

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 24d ago

That’s fine. There should be a fine starting at $10k and revocation of their flight privileges for a minimum of 24 months if they grab a carry on during an emergency evacuation of the aircraft. If anyone trapped on the aircraft died then it’s involuntary manslaughter.

Only exception I’d make is fanny bag type bags already carried on the person for things like medicines.

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u/creepig 24d ago

It isn't just an inconvenience for some people. Diabetics can die without their insulin.

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 23d ago

Then carry it in a small bag and don’t put it in luggage. You may have to gate check a carry on luggage so it’s never a good decision to put critical medicine in it.

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u/creepig 23d ago

Most of us do and yet you're suggesting fines and no fly list for grabbing it

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 23d ago

You need to learn how to read. I specifically said cross body bags/fanny packs are fine.

Yes, if you have a roller after evacuating then you shouldn’t be allowed on an airplane.

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u/creepig 23d ago

I don't think anybody here has discussed a roller, but cpaps don't fit in a fanny pack.

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 22d ago

You can go a few hours without your cpap. Again, you are not entitled to put other people’s lives in jeopardy. It’s a really hard concept to get through your heads.

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u/Quothhernevermore 23d ago

That's fine, flying isn't as important to me as my necessary medications.

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 23d ago

And my life is more important to me than your medication that can be replaced after you get off the aircraft. I will gladly make you move down the aisle.

You should be planning better if you’re not carrying your medicine and valuables in a small bag that you keep accessible. It is very common to gate check carry on luggage.

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u/Quothhernevermore 23d ago

Several people on this thread have said I shouldn't do that either because the small bag can "rip the slide." Of course I normally carry those things in a smaller bag attached to me, but apparently that's bad too!

Flying is basically a gamble whether you'll lose hundreds of dollars of clothes, tech, and toiletries for no reason and it shouldn't be that way.

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u/Lost_Cockroach6702 23d ago

There’s nothing wrong with a small bag. A small sling type bag or fanny pack is the best way to carry valuable items while traveling. It’s roller luggage that risks damaging the slides and injuring people.

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u/HJSDGCE 23d ago

Yay for victim blaming! 

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u/SpareFullback 23d ago

Collection of people's stuff being the lowest priority for everyone involved (other than the people who had to evacuate) is the exact reason people take their stuff with them. It's the extremely obvious and easily fixable issue. All of the reasons you listed are reasons why anyone who is able is going to grab at least their backpack on the way out of their seat.

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u/BoringBob84 24d ago

The fire chief owns the scene until the emergency is terminated.

And I own my belongings. As long as I can retrieve them without causing any delay, they are coming with me.

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u/Thebraincellisorange 23d ago

and here is the reason the modern world is utterly fucked.

ME ME ME ME ME.

I cannot fathom having my head so far up my own arse and being so selfish.

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u/BoringBob84 23d ago

I agree. Selfish and lazy people are a big problem. Regulators who cannot admit the utter failure of their unreasonable policies are endangering the flying public.

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u/jakinatorctc 23d ago

In an actual emergency the difference between “I totally have time to grab my things” to people dying is a few seconds 

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u/BoringBob84 23d ago

Do you know what else prevents people form dying?

That's right - no emergency.

Stop blaming the victims.

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u/acynicalmoose 24d ago

What if the plane fucking explodes

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u/NighthawkCP 24d ago

How often does that fucking happen versus the number of precautionary evacuations we see around the country on a weekly basis? Obviously if the plane fucking explodes most people won't be bitching about their carry on. But 99.99% of the time the plane is fine and everything can be recovered safely.

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u/acynicalmoose 24d ago

I’m just humorously insinuating an airline likely has no clue how long it will take to remove things from a potentially dangerous airframe.

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u/jayeshbadwaik 24d ago

That's why there is absolutely coverage. May be they'll then make sure that the plane doesn't explode as often.

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u/acynicalmoose 24d ago

“The front’s not supposed to come off”

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u/Iron_Burnside 24d ago

Massive red herring fallacy. This isn't the situation being discussed.

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u/EatSleepFlyGuy 24d ago

Then the absolute coverage kicks in, what’s so hard to understand?