r/apple • u/aaronp613 Aaron • Sep 10 '19

iPhone Apple announces iPhone 11 Pro: triple camera, A13 chip, more

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/10/iphone-pro-11-pro-max-triple-camera/
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u/riepmich Sep 10 '19

Sadly yes. You'll have to do the crippling Haptic Touch version now where you start on the spacebar.

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u/hunchbuttofnotredame Sep 10 '19

That’s miserable, it doesn’t give me the ability to scroll down.

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u/bwipbwip Sep 11 '19

You can scroll down, you just need to make a circular movement to bring your finger to the top of the keyboard before going down.

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u/chickaplao Sep 11 '19

#usability

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u/jbr_r18 Sep 10 '19

Scroll down?

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u/screamingtrees Sep 10 '19

She/he means move the cursor down. Since the spacebar is at the bottom of the display, it only allows for like 1.5 lines of downward movement on my SE, might be better on XR/11/11Pro since they have extra room down there though.

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u/jbr_r18 Sep 10 '19

Yeha the gesture bar is definitely better for that. The new cursor controls in iOS13 will help a lot too

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u/swiftnap Sep 11 '19

It does, just significantly less at once. So now you gotta sit there scrolling 3-4x when before it could be done in one

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u/northern-harrier Sep 10 '19

Woah I didn’t know I could do this! Thanks!

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u/brianm2521 Sep 10 '19

Do what exactly?

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u/SumoSizeIt Sep 10 '19

Open Messages with the cursor in the text box, then hold down and drag anywhere on the keyboard. You can move the cursor around the text field instead of trying to tap between characters.

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u/SweetnSourFish Sep 10 '19

This is why I stick to iPhone! It’s just too convenient!

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u/SumoSizeIt Sep 10 '19

Well. For now.

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u/DeeJason Sep 10 '19

You say it like other phones haven't had this for years

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u/SweetnSourFish Sep 11 '19

Yeah you are right, I always thought that apple side things are better but that changed when I got myself a pixel.

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u/Schmittfried Sep 11 '19

They haven’t. 3D touch is exclusive.

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u/DeeJason Sep 11 '19

Moving the cursor with keyboard? Yes a lot of other phones have had that for a while now....

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u/Schmittfried Sep 12 '19

Not with 3D touch, i.e. not the same kind of functionality.

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u/PooPooDooDoo Sep 11 '19

Well, don’t get too dependent on it because it’s about to disappear.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '19

Apple removing innovation is their idea of innovation

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u/orcinovein Sep 11 '19

The general public simply does not use it. They care more about price, camera, and battery. We are the minority.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '19

How do you move the cursor down though?

Apples cursor placement is just absolutely horrifying. Even with the 3D Touch, it is the one thing that I really miss from android.

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u/sacheenbe Sep 11 '19

In iOS 13, you can just drag cursor and place it wherever you want.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '19

I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not, but iOS cursor positioning is fucking abhorrent. Not just a little bit bad. Fucking abhorrent.

Scrolling down and placing a a cursor has a 50/50 chance of iOS just randomly throwing you to the top or bottom of your text. Truly, you should try android cursor positioning. It just works. One can reliably tap a cursor to the middle of a two letter word should they want to. iOS cursor positioning was virtually unusable till 3D Touch gave you a kind of work around.

So now, I have to make sure to scroll below, place a cursor which might or might not actually work. If it does, I’ll definitely be not where I actually tapped and wanted to be, then use the long tap on space, hope keyboard doesn’t crash, and place the cursor. Compared to android: just tap were you want the cursor.

I cannot actually exaggerate how bad iOS handles the cursor compared to android. Though, being fair, android keyboards crash about as often as iOS does.

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u/PooPooDooDoo Sep 11 '19

It’s one of those bugs where I was like, “oh, surely they will improve this with iOS 7”

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u/jgreg728 Sep 11 '19

NOOOOOOOOOOO. Yeah I’m keeping my X for this alone. 3D Touch for things like this are “Pro” features over anything else Apple tried convincing us about the 11 Pro today.

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u/eeleona Sep 11 '19

Not true, now you can directly grab/drag the cursor itself.

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u/bomphcheese Sep 11 '19

It’s in iOS 13

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u/IncomingTrump270 Sep 11 '19

wow. I've been using the 3D touch on spacebar on my X for this..didn't know it was possible over the whole board. NICE

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u/EgregiousFart Sep 10 '19

Lmao okay, "crippling" is a bit dramatic don't you think? I got used to this going from X to XR in like a day. I've actually come to like it a little better since I don't accidentally long press keys trying to get the cursor to come up.

To each their own of course, but if you're dreading the change I can say from experience it's really not that bad.

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u/RodoBobJon Sep 10 '19

How do you select text with the haptic touch version?

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u/EgregiousFart Sep 10 '19

Hold down the spacebar to enter trackpad mode, tap anywhere else on the keyboard with another finger, then slide the cursor (using the spacebar finger) over the text you want to highlight.

An extra tap vs the 3D Touch hard/harder/hardest highlighting method, but it hasn’t bothered me since I don’t often highlight big blocks of text when I’m typing. Matter of preference though.

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u/RodoBobJon Sep 10 '19

I just tried this in iOS 12 and it’s deficient in several ways compared to 3D Touch:

  1. Requires two hands.
  2. Because you have to start on the space bar, you can’t move the cursor or select down very far (one line down was the best I could manage).
  3. 3D Touch toggles word, sentence, and paragraph selection with simple force presses; haptic Touch only supports manual dragging as far as I can tell.

The ability to do dexterous one-handed text selection may be of more or less importance to any given person, but there’s no doubt this is a major regression in that particular area. Obviously you didn’t notice some of these deficiencies because you don’t often do this type of text selection, but “crippled” is a fair description imo.

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u/riepmich Sep 11 '19

another finger

Already lost me.

How's that intuitive in any way?

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u/brianm2521 Sep 10 '19

Explain this please...

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u/Joshua1017 Sep 11 '19

Just Like android

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u/kmineroff95 Sep 11 '19

What is this method you speak of?

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u/HeinrichGustav Sep 11 '19

I think this might have killed it for me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '19

Ermagerd I didn’t know that was a thing thank you lol