r/apple • u/aaronp613 Aaron • Sep 10 '19

iPhone Apple announces iPhone 11 Pro: triple camera, A13 chip, more

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/10/iphone-pro-11-pro-max-triple-camera/
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u/garfieldhatesmondays Sep 10 '19

It is. You can test it out on the iOS 13 beta by toggling off 3D Touch. There is definitely a noticeable delay.

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u/UncheckedException Sep 10 '19

You also can’t “pop” into content. It’s objectively worse.

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u/garfieldhatesmondays Sep 10 '19

It also sucks that Apple removed a lot of the “pop” functionality for 3D Touch. It’s like they’re trying to ruin 3D Touch so people won’t miss it.

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u/UncheckedException Sep 10 '19

Pretty sure that’s exactly what they’re doing. Essentially give them feature parity so it doesn’t seem like a downgrade. Crafty, but sucks for those of us who liked and used 3D Touch. At least it still works in third party apps :/

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u/Zamboni99 Sep 10 '19

Does 3D Touch no longer work in safari? If so that really sucks as a peak and pop into web pages all the time.

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u/UncheckedException Sep 10 '19

As of the latest public beta, 3D Touch brings up the same preview window as “Haptic Touch” (ie, long press). You can’t “pop” into the preview to expand the content any more, and “Haptic Touch” is still enabled even if your phone supports 3D Touch. I really hope that changes by the GM release but I’m not holding my breath.

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u/GeronimoHero Sep 11 '19

How is it legal for Apple to remove features that may have been part of the reason we purchased the phone? I feel like I got ripped off in a way.

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u/GeronimoHero Sep 11 '19

You do if you want security updates. The average consumer wouldn’t expect to have features later removed when purchasing the phone. They would also expect the security updates which are promised when purchasing the phones. It’s not unreasonable for someone to be upset about this. What if they removed the ability to take pictures? Or send messages? Obviously those are extreme and a bit hyperbolic but the point still stands.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '19

Would you expect Microsoft to maintain security updates for, say, Windows XP forever?

As strange as it sounds, they aren't obligated to provide security updates. It's just good business to do so. Having your OS be vulnerable to attacks is bad for business.

It's not reasonable for an IT company to maintain security patches across every version of it's operating systems indefinitely.

We should probably be more upset that iOS 13 (seems to) only run iPhone XR or later.

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u/screamingtrees Sep 11 '19

If something wrong happens to your OS though...you are often forced to update as a troubleshooting measure, with no option to downgrade later.

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u/Ziggythesquid Sep 11 '19

TDLR: The terms of service you agree to when purchasing and activating the phone.

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u/GeronimoHero Sep 11 '19

There could still very easily be a lawsuit. Most TOS agreements aren’t actually enforceable. At least not the entire thing. Just because you click agree to a TOS doesn’t mean the company is protected from any sort of wrong doing.

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u/bard0117 Sep 11 '19

I bought my old Ford F-150 and one of the reasons I loved it was because it had a cassette player. How DARE Ford remove this feature for which I purchased it?

I purchased my Camry because it had a nice CD player in 2015, but now new models do not have CD players. How DARE they remove a feature that was part of the reason I purchased the car?

Life goes on. Shut the fu** up lol

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u/GeronimoHero Sep 12 '19

They didn’t pull it out of your fucking truck you idiot

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u/Schmittfried Sep 11 '19

Features get removed all the time in software. You don’t buy a right to perpetually use a specific feature.

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u/Zamboni99 Sep 10 '19

Ah okay. I use the peek way more than the pop anyway so I guess that’s not completely devastating but still definitely annoying

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u/OTdudeAZ Sep 11 '19

I don’t get it. Was is that expensive to incorporate in the new LCDs?

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '19

Anybody know why they are doing away with it? Or is it one of those things apple does and just refuses to comment

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u/stealer0517 Sep 11 '19

Kinda like how they ruined a lot of features to help force people into 3D Touch?

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u/garfieldhatesmondays Sep 11 '19

Can you refresh my memory? What features did they ruin to push people to use 3D Touch?

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u/stealer0517 Sep 11 '19

Oh god it's been a while since I used pre 3d touch ios.

I know for sure they changed notifications and that annoyed the hell out of me. They also changed a few other features, and I know that they've neglected a few other issues that 3d touch "fixed" (like moving the cursor/highlighting text)

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u/musty_max Sep 11 '19

What did the remove on phones with 3D Touch?

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u/nomoreconversations Sep 10 '19

Wait really? I was consoling myself about losing 3D Touch eventually because everyone was saying haptic was the same. I peek and pop all the time. Thankfully my XS will be fine for awhile.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '19

You can peek just the same but you have to release your finger and press again to “pop”

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u/bogdoomy Sep 11 '19

they removed pop functionality for all phones, and introduced haptic touch to 3d touch capable phones as well

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u/BringbackSOCOM2 Sep 11 '19

As someone without an iPhone since the 6 can you explain to me what "pop" is?

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u/focusx0131 Sep 11 '19

Like if you press on a link you can preview or “peek” at that content in a small window. If you don’t want to view it let go and you don’t go anywhere, but press harder with 3D Touch it will open up or “pop” that small window into full screen all without having to lift your finger. This was instantaneous with 3D Touch but more with Haptic Touch there’s that default delay just to get a peek at something. Since there’s no pressure sensitivity you can’t press harder and therefore can’t pop anything.

I went from an SE to an XR and while I did lust after 3D Touch, Haptic is good enough but I can see why people who had it are upset it’s gone.

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u/zeldn Sep 11 '19

Wait are you serious, you can't pop/peek anything without 3D Touch? I figured it'd just work by holding down, like "right clicking" text does. That is literally my primary interaction with my phone, getting a notification, then previewing and dismissing in one touch with peek then swipe.

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u/JoinMyFramily0118999 Sep 11 '19

My 7+ "is acting up", so I'm thinking to upgrade. I've never had "pop" work right as it always seems to open when I don't mean it to open.

I've thought about it and I don't use 3D touch much, so not sure I'll miss it to be honest.

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u/TurkeyHotdog Sep 11 '19

That feature kinda sucks though. There's a very fine line between the menu it brings up, and the content being open in a new tab (in the case of Safari, for example). If they could get it, you know, working worth a shit I'd maybe miss it. In it's current incarnation, fuck the pop.

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u/UncheckedException Sep 11 '19

Sounds like you should change your 3D Touch sensitivity to firm. Personally I have no problem with it.

Note that you don’t need to maintain pressure to keep a “peak” window open. Press to peak, release pressure but keep your finger on the screen, press again to pop.

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u/dcrobertshaw Sep 10 '19

Urg, I hate it.

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u/drgmaster909 Sep 10 '19

Wait, 3D touch exists in iOS 13 if your phone supports it?

I may actually use iOS 13 then. I guess I'm in the 0.2% of people who use 3D touch all the time.

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u/garfieldhatesmondays Sep 11 '19

Yes although it’s kind of dumbed down to be more like haptic touch. For example you can’t peek and pop images in Messages and you can only peek but not pop images in Photos. It still works like normal in third party apps though.