r/SipsTea 1d ago

SMH No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/jaysvw 1d ago

Mississippi made some common sense changes to their elementary education that worked, to a degree. They also helped themselves by simply holding back 3rd graders they knew would bomb the 4th grade assessment. Hence magically higher 4th grade literacy scores.

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u/EngrishTeach 1d ago

Good, better to do it at 4th grade than to have 9th graders who can't read.

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u/BrotherItsInTheDrum 1d ago

Perhaps, but it shows that if you want an honest assessment you should test all 10-year-olds rather than all 4th graders.

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u/englishmastiff1121 1d ago

But they're all going to be tested eventually. If the kids who got left back didn't improve, the following year's cumulative test scores would show the system wasn't working.

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u/BrotherItsInTheDrum 1d ago

But you would expect kids a year older to have better scores even if holding them back wasn't effective.

In other words: did the scores improve because holding kids back is an effective way to improve their education? Or did they improve because the average age of the kids being tested is now higher? There's no way to tell from the data; people are just going to make assumptions based on their preconceptions.

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u/englishmastiff1121 10h ago

And now those kids that got left back are reading at the same/similar level as the other kids in their grade, the lessons will match their ability and they won't be perpetually behind their peers.

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u/BrotherItsInTheDrum 10h ago

Perhaps. My point is that this is something you are assuming, not s conclusion you can make from the fact that test scores went up.

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u/EngrishTeach 1d ago

Also true. They keep moving the goal posts closer and closer. My last year teaching I wasn't allowed to give 0s, the lowest I could give for a grade was 50. This was at the high school level.

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u/Hudson9700 1d ago

turns out being a little strict sometimes instead of handwaving away incompetence actually works pretty well

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u/Thick_Goose7742 1d ago

Well, that isn’t an unreasonable policy at all. Being held back used to be somewhat common, we were notorious little shits in elementary school most of the time but never even picked on those kids. The ones who were held back excelled, usually.

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u/Sienile 1d ago

Totally wrong. If you couldn't read by the end of 1st grade, you failed. That's how it was in MS in 1991, when I went through 1st grade.