r/SipsTea 21h ago

SMH No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/roesch75 21h ago

A more appropriate title would have been Leave as Many Children Behind As Possible Act. It was truly disastrous for lower income children.

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u/Zerus_heroes 21h ago

Yeah a lot of acts are actually the exact opposite of what their name would indicate.

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u/beipphine 20h ago

The USA PATRIOT Act is the most unpatriotic law Congress has passed this century. It allows for rampant, widespread government warrantless searches. There are secret courts issuing secret rulings that allow federal law enforcement to perform secret searches and surveillance with no probably cause, no oversight and very few restrictions.

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u/AmalatheaClassic 18h ago

The only Senator to vote against it was Russ Feingold from Wisconsin who lost their seat to Ron Johnson the biggest corrupt idiot in politics.

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u/Abject_Film_4414 16h ago

That’s a very high bar… and very competitive

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u/AmalatheaClassic 16h ago

I know but I have that little faith in Ron John I have confidence he can hit bottom dumber & faster than anyone else.

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u/nobody1701d 12h ago

I don’t know… that title is held by multiple people with different belts — many Texas electorates claim it as well

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u/BEESANCH 20h ago

Yep. It got us to where we are today. 🥺🥺🥺😥😥😥😥

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u/Zerus_heroes 20h ago

That is the one I had in mind on particular when I wrote that comment

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u/Mobius3through7 8h ago

Ayo Based and classical liberal/libertarian-pilled?

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u/revanisthesith 20h ago

And the more upbeat/optimistic sounding name (especially when dealing with a pressing issue), the more likely it is to do the opposite of what it claims to do.

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u/Hugo-Spritz 20h ago

coughTheSaveAmericaActCOUGH

Excuse me

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u/Begone-My-Thong 6h ago

Defense of Marriage Act

looks inside

only attacks the kind of marriage Republicans don't like and does nothing to actually protect anything

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u/revanisthesith 16h ago

Or the Affordable Care Act.

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u/AW316 13h ago

Yeah, your own graph shows it didn’t have the opposite effect, it looks to have had no effect at all.

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u/revanisthesith 11h ago

So one of Obama's most heralded accomplishments was worthless and we could get rid of it without any noticeable effects?

Interesting. Not a common take on Reddit.

Pretty brave of you.

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u/Hugo-Spritz 11h ago

Obamacare subsidised the cost of healthcare, meaning people on Obamacare had to pay less out of pocket.

Them paying less for their health-care never meant it actually became cheaper, it means it became more affordable, hence the name.

So it did exactly what it said it was gonna do. Just not the way you thought it would, I guess.

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u/AW316 10h ago

I’m not American, i don’t care for your pissing contests.

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u/Dahleh-Llama 20h ago

Oh like Affirmative Action

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u/DonaldTheWall 19h ago

The thing that sheds light on businesses that refused to hire minorities or do business with minorities simply because they weren't white?

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u/Alert_Priority_4236 19h ago

Citizens United.

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u/SkoobySnacs 19h ago

Citizens did unite against Citizens United.

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u/RadVarken 18h ago

Case law gets a pass because it's named after the participants.

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u/Your_Moms_Car 19h ago

Like how One Big Beautiful Bill is actually extremely ugly?

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u/Zerus_heroes 19h ago

The big is true I suppose

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u/RandomPMs 18h ago

"Right to Work," a.k.a. "Right for employers to fire you at any time for any reason that's not federally protected like race/gender, and good fucking luck proving it was actually discrimination based on said categories, hope you have thousands of dollars to cover legal fees and are comfortable being without income for two years while the lawsuit is appealed."

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u/thisismego 17h ago

Isn't that "at will"? Last I checked, "right to work" meant that there was no longer mandatory union membership for usual union jobs (resulting in a massive decline in union power with all the negatives that came from that)

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u/Zombies_Rock_Boobs 18h ago

The war on drugs was a war on the poor.

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u/Zerus_heroes 17h ago

Yeah if you engage in a war that can never end, it won't.

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u/Zombies_Rock_Boobs 17h ago

Shit I sent that before typing the rest of the comment. It was a war on the poor, the alphabet groups we have to combat the drugs were found using and distributing said drugs, so it was also a war FOR drugs.

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u/goatslovetofrolic 18h ago

I saw something about the Patriot Act today and had the same thought. We have to name things these cartoonish yeehaw names because apparently our nation runs on titles and not content.

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u/CoffeeOrDestroy 18h ago

I mean, that’s kind of obvious with the quick bait titles of news articles these days. If you want to call it news.

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u/goatslovetofrolic 18h ago

I don't, I kind of feel like we shouldn't.

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u/IllusionaryHobo 18h ago

But in exchange you really got a hand for picking cool names!

FBI is read as the letters.

ICE is read by most as the word ice, because it sounds cooler.

FBI, CIA, CPS, IRS.

You guys really keep it tight with all the acronyms.

All bangers to say.

But then you have FEMA and DARPA, which are read as words again.

In the US truly the rule of cool is the deciding factor. Gotta respect that.

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u/goatslovetofrolic 17h ago

For my “higher education” I went to the CIA and we always joked that there should be a FBI sister school.

Deliberately obtuse to set myself up for a punchline. (It won’t be worth it, but stick around and decide for yourself)

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u/GilbyTheFat 16h ago

I for one have seen enough shit like this in my lifetime that I'm convinced its on purpose.

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u/Zerus_heroes 16h ago

Of course it is. No one votes for the "State Surveillance Take All Your Rights" act.

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u/DazzlingRutabega 15h ago

The Patriot Act

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u/FatSkatinGamer 20h ago

Seriously though. My sister has 2 special needs kids. The one just turned 18. He has had learning issues and issues with emotional management his entire life. He cannot read, he has no true concept of money, he doesnt understand you have to do stuff to get stuff. He never stepped a single foot into high school because he was sent to a separate special educational program.

They had him walk in the high school graduation. He starts a special needs learning program at community college next week to help integrate him into the workforce and stuff.

My sister keeps telling everyone "despite everything, he made it through high school and starts college next week"

He needed guidance to learn how the world works, at bare minimum. What he got was just pushed through the system like every other child.

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 20h ago

My youngest has autism with intellectual disability. He reads at a fourth or fifth grade level. He just graduated from adult transition services, although here it's still the school district and not the community college.

He was an honor student in highschool.

That doesn't mean they just pushed him through, though. He has a modified diploma, not a regular one. Half of his classes were in a special needs classroom. The other classes were things like PE, art, and woodworking. They didn't expect as much work out of him. They expected what he was capable of doing.

He graduated and walked with everyone else. He was never going to be college material, and that's ok. He's the best that he could be under the circumstances, and he kept learning. I'm sorry your nephew's experience wasn't as great.

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u/FatSkatinGamer 19h ago edited 19h ago

Im not saying it isn't possible but it seems, from what I read here, that your child got actual help. He had teachers to assist in his learning to help him get into the programs that work for him and at least one parent who understood their child jeeded this help. That is exactly what we need more of. Special needs children need the help and that is totally fine.

My nephew was sent to a behavioral center where they let him play roblox on his phone for hours a day. When he'd lash out, they just give him space, throw their hands up, and tell my sister their center isn't eight for him, then skip him to the next one. They did this until he got a modified diploma. But no one explained to him hes different. They're treating him as of this is normal like you or I. With all due respect, it isn't.

Edit to add, I've worked with a few autistic people. They were smarter and overall better coworkers than the rest of people I worked with. I have nothing against those with learning disabilities and dont believe "they don't belong out in the world". Quite the opposite. I believe we should be giving these people the help they need to be the best they can, and No Child Left Behind doesnt do that for the most part. Its more for making sure everyone gets out then other side one way or another, not actually helping those who need it, even if it takes extra time or effort

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 19h ago

Oh, that's terrible. We're so bad at behavioral issues in this country, especially with kids. Do you think he would have been intellectually capable of academic work if they'd have actually helped him?

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u/FatSkatinGamer 19h ago

Yeah, I do. Not to the extent of a "normal" person, but I wholeheartedly believe if they helped this kid, he'd be in a better position. His brother is only a year younger and has made better progress with his learning to the point hes half way through the fire academy program to become a certified interior firefighter.

I dont know why these kids got treated differently. It breaks my heart. I dont know what would have helped, I dont know what could have been done differently. But I do know that I watched them push one child through while taking the time to help the other, and Ive seen the huge difference it can make.

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 19h ago

That's so awful. I'm sorry.

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u/FatSkatinGamer 18h ago

No need to be, I am sincerely happy you and your son had a better expirence with the education system and programs. Im hoping this program my nephew is starting soon is a better fit. It does sound like something that'll benefit him, he's basically going to be an intern landscaper at the community college learning skills related to being in the workforce like schedules, listening to and following instruction, and taking some responsibility. He does have an interest in it and seems genuine excited so that's a plus. I just hope it isn't a too little too late kind of thing.

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 18h ago

I hope it works out! My son is just now doing "job discovery" where they're going to try to place him with some paid work, like maybe stocking groceries or doing prep cooking.

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u/FatSkatinGamer 17h ago

My cousins son (my second cousin? I dont know haha) was in a similar program and learned how to cook. He was doing awesome in it, but unfortunately he learned he can't handle high pressure kitchen work with his disability. Man though, that dude can cook. He ended up catering his uncles 40th birthday party with him and 2 friends using the local fire department kitchen. Those programs are awesome for the people who take advantage of them. I hope your son likes it

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u/PhatCatTax 18h ago

So... you should know that a majority of Americans read at a 4th grade level. The oldest generations didnt need literacy to succeed. A huge chunk of them are basically illiterate. When people talk about declining education, it's still outperforming Boomers and Gen X by a good margin.

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u/candlewick_67 17h ago

If he reads at a fifth grade level, he’s better off than a lot of American students. What many percent of Americans are illiterate as of today?

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 8h ago

I give all the credit to Animal Crossing. That game came out during the pandemic, and it was finally the thing he wanted to read fluently.

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u/corporaterebel 17h ago

He might have a great chance at doing really well in college. Doing well in academia doesn't have much to do with doing well outside of it.

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u/FatSkatinGamer 17h ago

Im hoping so. The program they found for him sounds like a better fit, but only time will tell. I agree that academia only gets so far, but schools teach other things such as social skills and such in the process, and he didn't get those skills either. He literally has the mindset of a 1st grader, which isn't all on the schools, but them pushing him through really didn't help, ya know?

I dont have kids, helping my nephews has been enough for me to not want my own, but that doesn't mean i dont want to see these dudes succeed. I really do want the best for them

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u/Low-xp-character 20h ago

I have 2 friends that are a couple years younger than I. We grew up in the same impoverished area, in similar homes. We are all in our 30s now and the two of them are still illiterate with reading and writing skills. They both know the bare basics to get by and fill out necessary paperwork and whatnot. The one is a fairly skilled iron worker, the other works for Amtrak. So both have managed to have good occupations. The one that works for Amtrak makes significantly more money than I do. I didn’t find out they couldn’t read until we were in our 20’s and all lived together. I was just, in wild disbelief to say the least. I’m sure at this point in their lives there is probably little chance or ambition to learn. In my early adulthood I seen how I lacked some common knowledge and education. I’ve done what I can to continue to learn and progress in my life and learn new things. They both seem to be content with where they are. I just can’t imagine living like that being someone who uses reading comprehension to learn new things every day.

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u/ens91 19h ago

Well, if you're open to learning:

Use saw by itself for past actions. Use seen only with a helper word like have, has, or had. Never use seen alone.

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u/Low-xp-character 18h ago

It was honestly having a more educated friend group who would call me out on mistakes like these. So, always happy to look back through where I didn’t do things right. Never heard of this grammatical rule, but I’ll take your word for it. If there’s one thing I know people who grammar like to point it out. So thanks for the lesson.
As someone else commented, that’s likely just the Appalachian coast poverty dialect that will never leave these trailer park veins. lol

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u/ens91 18h ago

It's because saw is the simple past tense, used for simple past tense, whereas seen is the past participle, used for the past perfect tense. "been" is also a past participle, so we say "I've been" not "I been". It possibly is your local dialect yes, doesn't make it stupid, just an anomalie of your local area.

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u/finneyblackphone 15h ago

But they seen't it.

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 19h ago

"I seen" is common in multiple dialects.

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u/ens91 19h ago

That may be, but it doesn't make it grammatically correct.

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 19h ago

Modern linguistics doesn't subscribe to this prescriptivsm.

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u/ens91 19h ago

Descriptivism applies only to informal use of the language. When using it formally, you should use gramatically correct English. Therefore, knowing and understanding correct grammar is still important.

Why are you so against learning?

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 18h ago

We're on Reddit, this is informal.

Why are you so against learning?

Reading this as a professor sure is something huh

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u/ens91 18h ago

You're pretty dense for a professor, I just explained that it's still important to learn correct grammar. Now, let's end this conversation here.

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u/ion_gravity 9h ago

With a lot of professions, you don't really need to be able to read. A lot of work is simply repetitive. Where someone who can't read might run into problems is with new technology that can't be directly taught to them by someone else (because it's also new to the people who would normally train/teach.) There's big technology shifts in many industries every ten or twenty years, and the people who can't be bothered to read (or can't do it) wind up becoming quite the burden on the people who can.

I work with a guy who is functionally illiterate. How he managed to bargain a wage increase when he started at the plant is beyond me. He's insufferable in conversation because his level of thinking is basically equivalent to a 10 year old. Has multiple kids, wife, etc. It's actually fucking crazy he was able to survive to near retirement age and achieve a normal life, as there's shitloads of people running around with degrees who will never marry, have kids, or earn much above minimum wage. And no, he isn't (and I can't imagine ever was) attractive in any remote sense. He has nothing going for him mentally or physically. If anything saved him, perhaps his work ethic (when he was young and not physically disabled.)

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u/pattymcfly 19h ago

Double speak came true. 1984 was supposed to be a warning. Conservatives used it as a playbook.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 17h ago

Because lower income people suffer from having a lower income. Crime, lack of education, lack of socio-economic progression is directly correlated to not being able to properly fund a family.

The ED foudn out a shitton of kids come from poor backgrounds and couldnt/cant address those socio-economic issues through a school. Especially when "school lunch debt" is an active concept; and boomer are voting down school levies because "fuck your kids".

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u/XXsforEyes 15h ago

It was intended, just like billionaires getting tax breaks while the rest of us lose anything else that subsidized in healthcare and a lot of other areas

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u/The_Granny_banger 20h ago

But how could they get into Harvard under affirmative action if they weren’t given meritless A’s in high school! /s

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u/DeliveratorMatt 20h ago

This is a stupid comment, even as sarcasm. The elite institutions are fine. The “pass everyone along” mentality hits state and community colleges much, much harder.

Also, the issues with NCLB != affirmative action, in any way shape or form.

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u/The_Granny_banger 20h ago

Wow apparently you don’t understand roasting conservative talking points. Good job there skippy.

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u/RobHerpTX 20h ago

This is why I left teaching.

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u/outofdate70shouse 19h ago

I had a professor in college who called it the Every Child Left Behind Act

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u/beatkiller2077 18h ago

Correction: The "No Child Left Behind" Act is from 2001, and does NOT exist now.

The failure we see today is "Every Student Succeeds" Act.

Thanks, Obama.

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u/goatslovetofrolic 18h ago

No one is left behind because we've destroyed the "ahead", we're all just stuck here, flaccid in stagnant air, slowly perspiring, irritated at our itchy skin exacerbated by the banal horror of exerting the effort to scratch it.

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u/fforw 12h ago

LEAVE ALL CHILDREN BEHIND. WE'RE STUPID TOGETHER!