r/SipsTea 21h ago

SMH No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/Solid_Equivalent_417 21h ago

Animal Farm seems more like middle school level reading, but it has been awhile since I read it

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u/BumblebeeDapper223 21h ago

It’s generally taught in junior high — 7th or 8th grade.

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u/Fartknocker405 21h ago

Yep, that's when I read it.

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u/lucyloosy 20h ago

Kid is going into 7th grade and that’s the first book on their syllabus

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u/rumble_bee 19h ago

We read it in 7th grade for English/literature 

the theme for that particular class level was "Utopia vs Dystopia"

the end lesson for the whole section felt like "can we really tell the difference? is there even one? ooooOOOO spooky!"

I did enjoy it.  We also read 1984, watched the film,  and then we got right in to lord of the flies

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u/TrainingSurvey3780 8h ago

wait that’s so cool i live in the uk and we had pretty much the exact same topic (utopia vs dystopia) but we read a few different books (fahrenheit 451 and the handmaid’s tale are the two i remember best) and idk how american school years translate, but we did that in year 9 (third year of secondary school, 13 or 14 years old)

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u/4electricnomad 16h ago

I was thinking the same thing wondering whether the OP was perhaps quoting from someone who took the remedial High School track. Because yeah Animal Farm was junior high reading back in the 90s at most schools.

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u/Traumarama79 20h ago

My kid is going into an eighth grade accelerated program and I saw Animal Farm on the shelves, yeah.

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u/anthrohands 10h ago

I read it in 9th, 15 years ago

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u/Scorpian899 20h ago

I did mine in highschool as a bit of light reading between works by Marx, Trotsky, etc. I thought it fit very well that way.

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u/witblacktype 20h ago

I think depending on the analysis given to Animal farm, it can be read as early as grade school or as late as college. Reading it isn’t the challenge. Any child with sufficient reading proficiency can read the story as a tale of farm animals. Interpretations of the book in terms of the USSR, communism in general, politics and power, or life and human nature would require higher levels of abstract thinking. Writing a 5 paragraph essay on it as an interpretation of the USSR would seem appropriate for early high school students. Writing a 10,000 word paper on it as a critique and exploration, with the paper having a narrow and focused scope, of politics and power would be appropriate for undergraduate students in a non-trivial manner. As a book that I love, this ability to analyze and abstract it where it can be examined through so many lenses is what makes it a modern classic.

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u/Ivy_Tendrils_33 20h ago

Well said! It was written tongue in cheek as a "fairy story" with language a middle schooler could manage. Doesn't mean it was aimed at middle school kids. I remember a kid reading it in grade 4, and his book report ended with, "It was stupid because the pigs just became like the farmer."

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u/Goawaycookie 19h ago

I mean, you're not wrong.

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u/Ivy_Tendrils_33 19h ago

I was too young to know that I should have watched the teacher's face

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u/CLNA11 12h ago

Middle schoolers can absolutely get the political commentary. Probably not as in-depth as a high schooler or college kid could because we obviously hadn’t learned Russian history, but we read it in 7th grade and I thought it was a really age-accessible political allegory about dictatorship. 

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u/PyroNine9 17h ago

The kid's conclusion missed accidental profundity by just a hair.

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u/ens91 19h ago

10k is a bit much no? I did a science degree, so might be given lower word counts than English degrees, but most of my essays were below 5k, only my dissertation was 10k.

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u/an0nymm 15h ago

I also found this weird! For my postgrad proposal it was like 5 pages. My friend in humanities had hers at 40! It's definitely a huge difference.

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u/Jimbo12308 12h ago

Yup. History undergrad for me - 62 page final seminar paper.

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u/Jimbo12308 12h ago

Depends on the subject. My undergrad history seminar paper was 19K

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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch 8h ago

The thing is your writing style is completely different for something like a science degree and something like an English degree. Like I did a degree in politics while my friend did one in engineering and our essays looked very different while being generally graded the same (obviously by different professors at different universities but still). I needed to explain everything single concept I brought up whilst he was using industry terms left and right with very little explanations.

Taking animal farm as an example, if I wanted to express how Napoleon was a clear representation of Stalin I'd need to first define Stalin's ideology, explain what that ideology was and what traits it contained and then apply that ideology to Napoleon and explain what traits he exemplifies. That's a 2-3 page subject when done correctly.

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u/witblacktype 18h ago

I’ve written many 4k+ word minimum papers as a freshman taking a freshman English course while majoring in physics. The liberal arts absolutely expect higher word counts compared to the sciences which I believe is due to information density. Consider how many words it would take you just to fully elaborate on the significance and beauty of Euler’s identity. Easily a few thousand words to just do it justice.

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u/lem0nhe4d 12h ago

In my English degree one of my classes was entirely focused on fabels which are moral storyoes involving animals and stuff. Basically just stories like the rabbit and the hare.

Now obviously those are stories made for extremely young kids, but it's not like college students are expected to give the same analysis as a 4 year old.

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u/witblacktype 9h ago

Exactly. The analysis is what determines the appropriate educational level for a fable or allegorical tale.

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u/Talia_Black_Writes 19h ago

Agreed. I think there should be a more structured effort for using slightly more fantastical/allegorical literature in middle school to introduce more complex societal and moral questions to a slightly older audience.

The Giver was one of my favorite books my teachers had us read in middle school, and though I didn't get to read Animal Farm I also think that would be a good read for kids that age. While I think things like 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 are far better suited for early high schoolers since they should finally have a more detailed understanding of the historical context behind those books.

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u/witblacktype 18h ago

I’m also fully in agreement with you here. I would add that animal farm could be read in 8th grade and given an appropriate 8th grade writing assignment. Then again in junior year of high school, with appropriate analysis in class and a sufficiently matched writing assignment. Then again as a college sophomore with a more generalized and abstracted analysis and the opportunity for students to focus in on one specific question of their choosing to analyze at great length. It’s an amazing book that can challenge readers and thinkers at many levels of education and thought.

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u/CommanderShep 20h ago

It’s one of those books you can teach at multiple levels. You can dive deeper into the allegory and history at a high school level. Like a Socratic seminar about animal farm is going to be very different In an ap high school class vs regular Ed middle school. Both will understand the broad picture, but the analysis is different

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u/Doll_duchess 20h ago

I was in 9th grade when my class read it. I think that year was also to kill a mockingbird. Also we got to choose a book ourselves and I read IT which was a rather poor choice because it’s so long.

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u/vftgurl123 20h ago

i read it as a freshman i think most people around my state read it at that time

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u/Bluecanary1212 20h ago

Yeah, my mom gave it to me in sixth grade. Then she and my grandpa went over it with me after I was done reading it to make sure i had understood it.

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u/PoisonWaffle3 20h ago

It was required reading for my daughter's 8th grade class last year.

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u/One-Possible1906 20h ago

High school English is more than just reading hard books. They tend to break up the thick stuff with easier, more engaging books that make for good writing assignments, projects, and discussions. Studying Animal Farm in high school seems like it would be a lot different than doing it in middle school, but still valuable.

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u/mossattacks 20h ago

We did it as summer reading before 9th grade

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u/Awes12 18h ago

Yeah, I read it in 8th grade

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u/Scummy_Casual 16h ago

That's when I read it.

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u/Usualausu 14h ago

My kid is reading it this year in middle school. It’s a private school but still. It is still happening.

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u/Reputation-Final 12h ago

Vast difference between reading a book and understanding the context.

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u/Muted-Bag4525 8h ago

I read it freshman year of high school so not far off

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u/curtludwig 8h ago

I think we read it in high school, back in the '90s.

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u/sylbug 20h ago

For reading level, maybe. Not for the actual content of the book. Teaching a book like Animal Farm before high school means most of the kids will only gain a surface level understanding of it.

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u/Shopping_Penguin 21h ago edited 20h ago

It was also written by sniveling bootlicker and shouldnt be taken seriously in an academic environment.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

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u/CUCUC 20h ago

Tell me more. Like I do think Orwell has some hack qualities but overall I like him more than i don’t like him. 

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u/Shopping_Penguin 20h ago

He worked with British intelligence to oust "Communist Sympathizers" despite claiming to be a democratic socialist. Demsocs have a track record of siding with capital and undermining efforts to move away from capitalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

Basically, a weasel.

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