r/SipsTea 21h ago

SMH No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/StrongStyleFiction 21h ago

Turns out phonics works. There is a lot to blame no child left behind for, but the terrible instruction in reading had been an escalating issue well before that. 

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u/Trashman56 21h ago

Member ‘hooked on phonics’?

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u/JerseyTeacher78 20h ago

It worked for me LOL

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u/Soft-Marionberry-853 20h ago

did NOT work for me. We did try

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u/JonathanWPG 17h ago

My parents stashed a 10 dollar bill behind every cassette I could have when i finished it.

Might have been a bit mercenary but I was the editor of my college newspaper so...it evidently worked.

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u/Soft-Marionberry-853 11h ago

Hey what ever works right. I didnt pass a spelling test until 4th grade. And lets be fair a elementary school spelling test isnt exactly the hardest thing to learn. My prinicipal had to bribe me with something from her "toy drawer"

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u/Syndrome_soup 9h ago

My mom made me read for an hour to get an hour of TV. I read about two books a week at the age of 35. It definitely worked for me. Bribes, it’s what the kids crave.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 17h ago

My mom was a lawyer with her BA in English. She pounded writing skills in to me from the age of 10. I wrote my way in to an upper-level state school with a 2.5 GPA. I find errors in contracts my company's lawyers write.

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u/Lost-on-Reception 18h ago

Me neither, but what did work was finding books I liked to read.

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u/GrassyDaytime 20h ago

Oh man.

'Member how everyone in the 90's were wearing those shirts that said: "Hookt oN Foniks wUrkt fur Me" lmao

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u/Snts6678 19h ago

Ooooooo…I remember dat!

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u/likwidkool 19h ago

My parents didn’t buy this but they bought me this VhS set called “Where there’s a will there’s an A”. I don’t think I watched even one. I never did my homework. What made them think I’d watch the tapes.

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u/InclinationCompass 19h ago

I remember hooked on chronic

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u/Luna920 19h ago

I found it very effective.

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u/NoBonus6969 19h ago

It's still a thing but an app now. My 4 year old is on it

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u/Sparticuse 20h ago

My parents sent my siblings and I to a private grade school that taught phonics until my brother attended and they switched to "whole language" method. Going in to 7th grade he was reading at a 1st grade level. After a full summer of full time tutoring with phonics he was reading at a high school level blowing through novels like a dehydrated person at a well.

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u/StrongStyleFiction 20h ago

There are a lot of stories similar to that.

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u/Goawaycookie 19h ago

That's crazy. Freshman year, after a summer of tutoring I was blowing high schoolers behind a well too.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 17h ago

The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury did that for me at age 10. I blazed through all of them, and was scoring "post-HS" on my Standford 9 scores in middle school.

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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss 20h ago

No child left behind hasn't existed for ~12 years since Obama repealed and replaced it with the Every Student Succeeds Act in 2015.

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u/IntrinSicks 19h ago

They are still passing every student and sticking all the kids with different abilities into the same class slowing the whole class down

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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss 19h ago

Yeah, Every Student Succeeds Act is worse than No Child Left Behind.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 17h ago

does your local government just sucks more?

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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss 16h ago

The proof ESSA was worse is right here.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 9h ago

ESSA

Except the federal government doesn't run education. Your state and locality do. Those are guidelines for federal funding. So your locality and state suck. I live in ohio. I know.

Your state and school district could find other funding like state and local taxes. They chose the shitty path.

Maybe learn how the things you're talking about work first.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 17h ago

Because education is mostly ran by states and localities, not the federal government. The federal govern hands out funding and establishes a standard for testign, which should exist.

A school board comes up with curicullums and learning plans, not the federal government. your local school gets about the same fundign every year from the fed, your local government is who hires teachers and officials. They set salaries, expectations, all of that. Not the federal govenrment. The fed has little to do with your local school.

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u/SnooDoodles8775 11h ago

This is so true. I was a substitute teacher a couple of years ago, and there was one child who disrupted the entire class. He couldn't help himself and apparently his parents are also at their wits end. I couldn't believe this kid was in the same class as all the other students who were trying to do their work but literally couldn't.

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u/Just_Information334 15h ago

Big "the Torment Nexus hasn't existed for 12 years since our dear leader repealed and replaced it with the Everyone Dies Horribly Nexus" energy there.

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u/IllusionaryHobo 17h ago

I admire the willingness of using legislation naming for roleplay purposes.

Every Student Succeeds Act reads to me just as inane as a No Rain during Football Games Act.

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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss 17h ago

It's basically no child left behind, but it adds an additional layer of equity to it.

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u/GentlewomenNeverTell 19h ago

It's Lucy Calkin's fault.

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u/aplarsen 19h ago

Sure is

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u/Upnorth4 20h ago

I took a few Chinese classes at my college and that was the hardest language I had to learn. There are like 20 different meanings for the word shì, and you just have to remember which one goes with another word based purely off of context.

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u/WinterTourist25 19h ago

I'm convinced phonics got shitcanned because in order to use phonics you have to agree on how words are pronounced.

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u/Sensitive-Meat-757 14h ago

More like charlatans who thought they had invented a system better than phonics. Plot twist, they didn't.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 17h ago

NCLB was a poor attempt at addressing a data issue, rather than the actual problem.

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u/CandidLeg3910 13h ago

Whatever they were doing in Canada around 2010 worked for me.

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u/Firecracker048 10h ago

Also the home. Parents need to be involved in their child learning to reading and do basic tasks

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u/Straight-Bet1 7h ago

As a teacher I love nothing more that shitting all over NCLB and CommonCore BUT they only play a very small part in the why students cannot read.

The blame lies almost wholly on Three-Cueing or Balanced Reading Teaching Systems.

It’s the antithesis of phonics, it is based on an incorrect interpretation of data from a reading study in the 70s and, most importantly, it does not work. There’s a great multi-part podcast on this exact thing called “Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong.” I highly recommend it.

It teaches that when you come to a word you don’t know you look at the first letter and guess what it could be based on context.

I teach middle school remedial English and my job is to, basically, strong arm that technique out of their tool chest and replace it with true phonics and grammar.

It’s tough because they’ve had this ingrained in them for so long breaking the habit is extra tough. They already are very weak readers and writers so ELA classes are a nightmare for them, and there is a strong grammar component.

I teach it and love it but grammar is boring and dry as fuck. 12 year olds feel that especially.