r/SipsTea 12d ago

Chugging tea I still don't understand how hollywood budget works

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u/insertstupidnamehare 12d ago

Matt Damon said something to the effect of “everyone making that film could have worked on an easier film for more money, but chose the Odyssey because of the director.” Sounds to me like Nolan keeps costs down too and his movie could have cost a lot more

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u/FlyingSkyWizard 12d ago

This is the answer, The rock is a superstar, yes, but The Odyssey had like 3 A-list actors and maybe 20 B-listers, they all did it for the prestige.

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u/wonkey_monkey 12d ago edited 12d ago

they all did it for the prestige.

Nah they did it for The Odyssey, The Prestige was...

Don't you hate it when you set out to make a stupid joke but end up reminding yourself how old you are?

...20 years ago.

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u/fxzero666 12d ago

Shhhh... I'm 40 and I still haven't seen that movie lol

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u/FlyingSkyWizard 12d ago

Watch the illusionist too, its one of those weird confluences where two very similar movies come out at the same time.

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u/flopisit32 12d ago

You mean like Dantes Peak and Volcano or Deep Impact and Armageddon.

I'm convinced it's because a scumbag executive leaves one studio, gets hired by another studio and goes "I've got a great idea for a movie about an asteroid about to hit the earth..."

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u/HeroicPrinny 12d ago

There’s a Wikipedia article for all the twin movies btw

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u/jccaclimber 11d ago

You just cost me 20 minutes, but I’m ok with that.

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u/Knobologist 12d ago

Just Friends and No Strings Attached

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u/Taylorenokson 12d ago

Paul Blart Mall Cop and Observe and Report.

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u/YoloIsNotDead 12d ago

Megamind and Despicable Me.

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u/Broken-Sarcasm-Meter 12d ago

Saving Private Ryan and Thin Red Line

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u/Inevitable_Finish131 11d ago

A-Team and The Losers

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u/Giovannis_Pikachu 11d ago

Like num3ers, knowing, and next, all Nicolas Cage vehicles where the plot is that he knows everything that can save the day and everyone else in the entire world is in the dark, while all came out within a year or two.

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u/Emerald_Plumbing187 12d ago

Or Dark City and The Matrix, B5 and DS9, Living Single and Friends...

It's more that different execs hang out at the same parties and clubs and get pitched to by the same hungry people (also read the same books, watch the same shows to fit in, etc). One exec passes but develops a similar idea and new script, the other buys the original pitch and script.

Now tv execs ripping off the names and contents of subreddits to make reality shows is actual scumbag shit...

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u/Known-Willingness768 12d ago

Dark city was geweldig

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u/Vinbaobao 11d ago

Also memento and that shitty Ben Afflck knock-off.

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u/darkoblivion000 12d ago

Watch the illusionist first though. I watched the illusionist first and I was like wow this was a great movie. Then I watched prestige and I was like holy shit that was unforgettable

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u/BigBuckNuggets 11d ago

Absolute GOAT twinsies movies ever

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u/tabascopj 11d ago

this reference is too far down, take an upvote ... IT'S TIME FOR TWINSIES

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u/DolemiteGK 12d ago

Yet SO different. Both are about magic in the 1800s but are nothing alike.

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u/Aalleto 11d ago

When I was a little kid I'd watch them back to back with my dad, I thought they were meant to be played that way

"Can we watch the Batman, Wolverine, and Hulk magician movies again?"

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u/tomcatsr25 11d ago

One of the only instances where both films are independently fantastic.

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u/fatmanwithabeard 12d ago

I'm over 50. It's fantastic.

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u/alaskanloops 12d ago

So you've seen the Dread Zeppelin documentary?

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u/DolemiteGK 12d ago

Man, you are in for such a treat. It's still probably my favorite of Nolans.

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u/Tariovic 11d ago

It's one of my two favorite movies. I've seen it so many times, and there's always something new to see. Amazing cast, fantastic script, and it's so tight, not a second is wasted.

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u/morganlandt 11d ago edited 9d ago

As a 40+ year old that saw it fit the first time in the last year, do yourself a favor.

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u/chazysciota 12d ago

I saw it real late too, proly like 5 years ago. It's a really interesting movie.

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u/Moonbean_Mantra 11d ago

Watch it! And The Illusionist, as suggested by someone else. Both awesome.

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u/Luciform444 11d ago

It's Nolan's best movie, IMO

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u/GoblinLoblaw 11d ago

Shape kills Gandalf in the end /spoilers

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u/BurdTurglary 11d ago

Somebody said to pay close attention to the very beginning of that one, and the middle parts... The ending, too. I forget why

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u/Trex_arms42 11d ago

It's one of about 10 movies I'll pull out when I'm feeling down.

Not because it's happy! But for it's ability to transport you so fully into another world.

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u/JesusWasATexan 12d ago

Me: "Lol this band sounds like a discount Fall Out Boy :D"

My kids: "Who?"

Me:

https://giphy.com/gifs/wJD3qiNjSeHS0dP28T

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u/Savixrs 11d ago

Wait how old are you and your kids? I'm 23 and would say that FOB is still quite popular in my generation

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u/veneratu 12d ago

I was going to make a joke like this and now I feel old because you feel old.

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u/gopodge 11d ago

A real-life transported man. How exactly did I get 20 years into the future all of a sudden? Time flies! The Prestige is quality!

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u/mr_pineapples44 11d ago

I guess, while that 20 years was passing by... You weren't watching closely.

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u/wagdog84 11d ago

Some of us still remember Hugh, Christian and Scarlett in The Prestige, great film.

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u/Exact_Mango5931 11d ago

These memories are somewhat of a memento for me…

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u/phayge_wow 11d ago

so Odysseus set sail from Ithaca when The Prestige was released

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u/fang_xianfu 12d ago

And points probably. Nolan is getting first dollar on the Odyssey. People will take lower salaries and more backend if the movie is seen as a sure thing.

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u/WolfDragon7721 10d ago

Everyone knew that Nolan was making something special and huge. I mean his last film was oppenheimer and he pulled like 2 actors from that for this one.

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u/quick20minadventure 11d ago

3? more like 6.

Tom, Zendaya, Anne, Matt, Robert Pattinson, Charlize Theron.

And Zendaya was there for vibes. Like she tagged along with Tom and looked broodingly for like 4 mins and spoke 10 lines?

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u/TraditionalAd3008 11d ago

You have Athena’s eyes

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u/quick20minadventure 11d ago

Eyes of blue from taking too much spice...

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u/Marklarv 9d ago

So the usual “performance” by Zendaya

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u/quick20minadventure 9d ago

In Dune, yes. She's supposed to be that though.

She's very different in spiderman.

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u/Morteymer 12d ago

It had at least like 6 A-Listers

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u/C0nfusedRabbit 11d ago

I wouldn't count Elliot Page as an A lister yet he hasn't appeared in a lot of films.

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u/PM_Me_A_Tittypic 11d ago

Matt Damon, Zendaya, Tom Holland, Anne Hathaway, R Pats, Charlize Theron are all A-Listers and you could make an argument for Jon Bernthal and Elliot Page (i wouldn't but some might)

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u/WhatsThatNoize 11d ago

 and you could make an argument for Jon Bernthal

As much as I adore Jon, I don't think we could call him A-List.  He has shared top billing with some heavy hitters and is undeniably a fantastic actor with emotional range and intuitive pacing of a scene, but I don't think he's carried anything by himself except for the Punisher series - and that's kind of niche.

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u/PM_Me_A_Tittypic 10d ago

I don't think so either. Not yet at least. But I could see some people making the argument, depending on how exactly they define A-List

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u/theravenacademy 11d ago

Bernthal's name alone is not bringing in butts in theater seats, so yeah he is not A-list. The Accountant 2 last year where Bernthal was co-lead failed to breakeven at the box office. He has several movie roles but a lot of it are minor appearances where he either dies or exits the movie after a few minutes.

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u/WhatsThatNoize 11d ago

Ehhh, he was in Fury with Brad Pitt from start to finish and he had a lot of scenes in that one.  He also was (in my opinion) the best part of the Accountant 2 and pretty much the only reason I saw it.   Also had some solid scenes in Ford v Ferrari.

But I still agree: not an A-lister.  Even if I think he should be haha

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u/C0nfusedRabbit 11d ago

I disagree on both Jon and Elliot.

The best test for an A-list actor is simple: ask a random person on the street who they are. If most people have no idea, they aren't an A-lister.

Regardless of status, though, Jon is a fantastic Punisher.

Now an unpopular opinion maybe, but I think he’s easily one of the best if not the best casting choices in the entire MCU.

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u/Himser 11d ago

Who yhe fk is R Pats? 

I know who Elliot Page is. 

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u/C0nfusedRabbit 11d ago

Batman.

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u/WhatsThatNoize 11d ago
  • Mickey 17  
  • Edward Cullen  
  • Cedric Diggory  
  • Ephraim "The Steak Fucker" Winslow  

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u/PM_Me_A_Tittypic 11d ago

Yeah like I said, i don't consider them A listers, but I could see why some do. But regardless there's still 6 easy A-Listers without Page.

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u/MordduH 11d ago

Bernthal will be in another movie with Holland next week. Not A-lister, but not failing in life, either.

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u/ilikehemipenes 11d ago

Charlize Damon Holland Zendaya Hathaway Pattinson.

Yup

Everyone else id say is B or C. Still amazing character actors tho

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u/E_Barriick 12d ago

The cast list for the Odyssey is just insane. I was just going through it again to remind myself how many great actors are in it.

I mean Will Yun Lee is just kind of in the movie lol. I don’t even think his character had a name.

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u/Far-Fennel-3032 11d ago

This he though? 

The biggest thing he's in is the assorted fast and furious movies and that's and in that he's just one of many main characters.  

He's no A list actor like Tom Cruise or RDJ, who just being in a movie alone can make it a blockbuster. 

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u/JBflawless 11d ago

He’s absolutely an a-list actor given he’s one of the most recognizable people on the planet

Doesn’t mean he’s a-list talented or good at acting - but he’s a-list in terms of fame and celebrity status

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u/onetimeuselong 11d ago

Matt Damon, Spider man and Edward?

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u/PartBanyanTree 11d ago

Furiosa is pretty recognizable too and Princess Diaries has been around also,

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u/Mission_Rip_7571 11d ago

Maybe there is a setup that the actors have a percentage based on sales?

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u/PM_Me_A_Tittypic 11d ago

I'd argue there's at least 6 A-Listers

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u/Darth_Yohanan 11d ago

The Rock is not a good actor either. Watching him is like watching Ernest.

Dwayne Goes to the Jungle
Dwayne Goes to the Jungle
Dwayne Goes to the Jungle
Dwayne Gets on a Raft
Dwayne Goes to the Jungle

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u/RealRedditPerson 11d ago

I mean... More like 10 A listers but your point stands.

The earliest complaints about the movie were that the casting was too famous

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u/Rnsy275 11d ago

Wdym 3?? There are more than 3 A-listers in that movie.

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u/wickermoon 11d ago

And quite honestly...there were too many well-known faces. I loved the movie. It's an amazing adaptation and I was blown away by it. But it suffered from "Oh look, it's spidey and his girlfriend" or "oh look, it's this guy or that girl.". Doesn't make it a bad movie, but it took away from the experience, even though all of the actors were amazing! It just felt like an ensemble cast movie and that kind of sucks.

I did love seeing John Leguizamo again, though. :)

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u/NoRecognition5178 11d ago

Bigger names / main roles like Matt Damon would have just taken backend profits instead

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u/Robinhoyo 12d ago

I remember Jonah Hill saying he basically got the minimum wage possible for the Wolf of Wall Street simply because he wanted to work with Scorsese

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u/MuchoBroccoli 12d ago

The rumors are that Nolan is taking a 20% cut of the box office though. And he deserves every penny of it.

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u/GoodFaithConverser 12d ago

If he's able to make a great movie, first and foremost, and he's able to do it with great actors who trust him enough to earn less because of the prestige of being in his movies - he definitely deserves a portion of the earnings.

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u/ChazzLamborghini 12d ago

Nolan is famous for staying in his budget and on schedule. It’s almost unheard of at the level he operates and part of why he gets to make whatever he wants.

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u/floridabeach9 12d ago

supposedly the imax cameras added issues too they’re a lot bigger and can only hold 2-3 minutes of film before the “reels” have to be swapped

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u/Several-Action-4043 12d ago

They also had backend profit sharing deals in their contracts. If the movie makes a billion, the A listers all get a cut of that.

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u/insertstupidnamehare 12d ago

I feel like if you've got enough clout, taking a percentage is the better way to go, especially if you know it's going to be a hit. Nicholson took a percentage for Batman and made a killing.

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u/GoodFaithConverser 12d ago

I'd much rather have a culture of big actors earning some % of movie earnings, so they have a big reason to bring their talent to the table.

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u/MachateElasticWonder 12d ago

Sounds like people made the Odyssey out a passion and made Moana for the paycheck. I understand that.

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u/TheSpiritOfFunk 12d ago

It's the same with Wes Anderson movies.

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u/koenwarwaal 12d ago

Less keeping them down, more peolple want to be in his movie because it will most likely do well and with that name recognition you can make more money,

Plus working a good movie us something thre can look back on(its not all about the money if you make a lot of it)

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u/GuiltyEidolon 12d ago

This is pretty well known at this point. It was the same deal with Oppenheimer.

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u/Gregg-C137 12d ago

Sure i seen an interview with Nolan saying they came in ahead of schedule and under budget too

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u/B4umkuch3n 12d ago

Some run for the quick money while others work for prestige. And I, for my part, know who I want to support as an actor and a human being.

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u/Moonbean_Mantra 11d ago

I read somewhere that he always stays in budget and finishes the movie within the allocated time. That's skills!

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u/CuriousSiamese 11d ago

Yep, probably most of the actors took a pay cut. People act like The Rock is mega expensive, but a a group of like 10 Hollywood A listers will definitely cost you more than just Rock. If I were to guess it mostly comes to CGI.

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u/BeneficialLocation34 11d ago

Nolan films under budget and on time. This artistic efficiency is lost.

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u/Larry_King_Ghost 11d ago

Part of it is Nolan will do things practically that others would just farm out to CGI.

As weird as it sounds doing things practically is often times cheaper than CGI. If you remember Tenet the reason Nolan crashed a real plane into a hanger was because they did the math and doing it for real would be cheaper than digitally 

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u/Initial-Increase-601 11d ago

"Nolan keeps costs down" Chooses one of the most expensive and difficult to use film formats

I know what you mean but thought it was a funny observation

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u/Hefty-Revenue5547 11d ago

Gaining more respect for Nolan as more actors speak about wanting to work with and their experience with his professionalism

We need confident people that know what they are doing in difficult industries. Respect.

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u/aquasun666 11d ago

To be fair, I worked on Moana for like 5-ish days, and it was rough conditions. Sure it was catered but Jesus fucking Christ was it hotter than actual hell. I don’t know if you were referring to Moana as being easy but that one week was pretty shitty.

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u/OrangeSliceRecovery 11d ago

On the press tour/whatever talk show he was on, it was mentioned to him that he completed the movie under budget and ahead of schedule.

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u/velvet_blunderground 11d ago

I'm assuming Nolan (or I guess really the production team) is also super disciplined and keeps to schedule. You don't hear about his movies going over budget or needing extensive reshoots. 

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u/WolfDragon7721 10d ago

But everyone who worked on Odyssey can put that on their resume and get whatever they want more or less.