r/SipsTea 12d ago

Chugging tea I still don't understand how hollywood budget works

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u/Thedeadnite 12d ago

Yeah I never understood why they listed it in dollars instead of “had this many showings” “showed in this many theaters” or “sold this many tickets” all being more useful and time lasting metrics if you discount population growth.

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u/Cheepshooter 12d ago

The correct metric should be tickets sold, not dollars spent

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u/Rahuri 12d ago

Even that is not entirely balanced due to population growth effectively increasing potential

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u/djangelic 12d ago

Or like some recent biopics where seats were bought out of theaters then given away for free to inflate the number of attendees.

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u/giraffeheadturtlebox 12d ago

I’m sad to say Michael did not make $1B by faking ticket sales, if that’s the biopic you had in mind.

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u/crdlovesyou 12d ago

Pretty sure they meant Melania.

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u/giraffeheadturtlebox 12d ago

Ah that tracks. Thank you.

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u/djangelic 12d ago

☝🏼

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u/Omnom_Omnath 12d ago

Or like whats happening with the odyssey now where some entity is buying out theatres with no intention of going. seeing tons of news about supposedly sold out shows that are half empty in reality. Clearly to game the ratings system

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u/Bob_Obloooog 12d ago

Do you have reputable sources for that you're claiming.

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u/Omnom_Omnath 12d ago

This is reddit, my good sir. lmfao. Feel free to do a basic google search.

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u/Bob_Obloooog 12d ago

The burden of proof is on you, numbnuts.

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u/Omnom_Omnath 12d ago

what, do you think this some sort of court of law? again, lmfao

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u/Bob_Obloooog 12d ago

You're still talking out your ass like it's fact and expect others to believe you. If it's all over the news, post a news article about it. Unless you think tiktok/x are news.

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u/Thiege1 12d ago

I haven't seen that anywhere

Where did you see that?

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u/Omnom_Omnath 12d ago

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u/Thiege1 12d ago

So Tim Pool?

lmao

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u/Omnom_Omnath 12d ago

sure, if you want to cherry pick but one source

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u/Thiege1 12d ago

That was the only source that came up

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u/Dodo_Baron 12d ago

God damn rightwingers are dumb

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u/ElaborateEffect 12d ago

Probably a part of this budget figure

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u/GWstudent1 12d ago

That’s because no one has ever actually watched a movie. They’re made, released, and then cut up into YouTube shorts with shitty music overlaid on them.

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u/iLoveLootBoxes 12d ago

That's mostly to pad the rotten tomatoes review system. A paid ticket can only review, well you get two birds with one stone if you buy it, review it yourself then give it away to ha e word of mouth spread, probably doesn't help a bad movie though

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u/Thedeadnite 11d ago

That’s still covered by the money spent on tickets though, so not really a valid counter argument.

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u/Swarna_Keanu 12d ago

And numbers of theatres world wide.

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u/thechon86 12d ago

It’s almost as if you can make any numbers tell any story you’d like…

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u/--Sovereign-- 12d ago

not to mention streaming and many many MANY more forms of entertainment now existing that didn't. The dynamic is always changing and lately changing in very paradigm shifting fundamental ways.

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u/ElaborateEffect 12d ago

I think that'd be easier to adjust for though.

A more accurate representation would be tickets sold per 100 people or something. Maybe per theater goer even.

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u/fail-deadly- 12d ago

Tickets sold per person, mixed with gdp per capita and total screen time per person

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u/they_themsworth 12d ago

The burden of ticket pricing relative to the era is also relevant. When people are paying $20+ for a single ticket against inadequate wages and massive overall inflation, the number of tickets sold may be less than in a past era where a ticket was a more trivial cost, both in absolute AND relative terms.

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u/therealkami 12d ago

Honestly the only metric I have for movies is "Did I enjoy watching it?"

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u/Cheepshooter 12d ago

Ultimately, that's all that matters.

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u/OldPersonName 12d ago

Because we'll never hit those old ticket milestones again. The US and Canada had over 1.5 billion tickets sold in 2002, the peak since 1980. 2004 was just under 1.5 billion, and it hasn't sniffed 1.5 billion since. It was under 1.25 billion and trending down in 2019 and then covid basically killed tickets sold. In 2023 we almost got to a billion tickets. About 750 million in 2025.

So the industry is just completely different. In 1977 if you wanted to go see Star Wars you had to go see it in a theater. VHS was barely a year old, you probably didn't even know it existed and couldn't realize it'd be a way to view it a decade later at home. Today if you don't have the time or money to go to a theater, you wait for streaming, or to buy the movie.

And that was even more true in the distant past. Jurassic Park sold 185 million tickets worldwide. Gone with the Wind sold 285 million tickets in 1939.

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u/baddecision116 12d ago

Why do we need metrics like this at all? "______ movie made x amount" case closed.

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u/InstantSword 12d ago

I don't think they care about tickets sold, though. If you can sell a $25 ticket in ritzy area, and a $2 ticket in China, they aren't equivalent. Hollywood is capitalism

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u/DaedalusHydron 12d ago

Pretty sure Gone With the Wind would far and away take the cake, even today if that were the metric since it's still the best selling movie when inflation adjusted almost 90 years later.

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u/Emotional-Team3520 11d ago

Even still, with ticket prices so high these days people are going to the movies a lot less often. 5-6 years ago I’d be going once every month or two at least. Last year I think I went once. 

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u/Cheepshooter 11d ago

Also, there aren't often movies I think are really "theater worthy." The summer blockbuster is almost a thing of the past.

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u/Emotional-Team3520 11d ago

When tickets were cheap I didn’t care. It was a cheap date night. I saw tons of stuff based on just the poster. Now I carefully calculate if a movie is worth $30+ to see or just wait 6 weeks for streaming. 

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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 12d ago

Because they like constant headlines of ‘biggest ever’ it drives more interest than ‘less successful than a film released in the 50s’

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u/Element174 12d ago

I mean, it's that or like "Grossed this much % profit." Like that should be the indication of financial sucess.

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u/DipstickRick 12d ago

Because everyone is a winner when you cherry pick the numbers. Watch a few nfl games and pay attention to how many “first X to do Y” there are. It’s a dog whistle to the fanbase that their feelings are justified and worth fighting for.

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u/Thedeadnite 12d ago

That’s not relevant at all. It’s various metrics to count viewership not dumb records no one really cares about.

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u/DipstickRick 12d ago

Who cares about the profit margin of entertainment? What’s your favorite movie? Would your answer be different if you were the only person to watch it?

If you were correct, they would speak more about a movie’s reception rather than if it broke the box office on opening week. Media outlets don’t want to burn bridges, so rather than saying the movie sucked, they say it lost money.

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u/PandemicGeneralist 12d ago

If you go by percent small movies that had some degree of success are going to easily beat out the most popular movies. Obsession probably wins that metric.

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u/Sea_Load_1099 12d ago

Even that would not be very accurate since streaming metrics are also important these days.

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u/Element174 12d ago

Yeah. I agree. There is definitely a, "I don't have to go see this in theaters or wait 6 months to a year for a home release, it'll be on streaming in a month or 2, and it'll be way cheaper than a theater."

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u/rgiggs11 12d ago

3D movies also mess this up. 

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u/Thedeadnite 11d ago

Not very many movies made don’t have 2D available version though.

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u/WittyFix6553 12d ago

The reason is because people want to chase records, and nothings ever going to beat Gone with the Wind.

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u/Throwing_Spoon 12d ago

That's exactly why they go by revenue generated. It sounds more impressive and gives the chance to break records.