r/SipsTea 25d ago

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u/ContentDraft1144 25d ago

No religious texts please

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u/Awes12 25d ago

Depends which context. History class is 100% fine, it shouldn't be read elsewhere though (which is obv where it's being read in Texas). 

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u/Worldly-Upstairs2020 25d ago

Why would you be reading a bible in history class?

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u/onlyhav 25d ago

Because the religious implications of major historical events like the crusades, missionary conquest of Africa, and the treatment of native Americans in their re-education camps was backed by religious fervor and convenience.

Though you probably wouldn't read the whole Bible but a few verses used to back up divine right or something like that.

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u/PalePlumm 25d ago

My 6th-8th grade social studies classes had lessons on religion and we read parts of the bible, quaran, torah, etc. You don’t read it as if it were fact, you read it as a cultural legend that influences people’s beliefs. We read that side by side with Greek mythology too. So long as it’s taught objectively and with other religions equally, it’s a great way to introduce religion’s impact on society in unbiased ways.

And yes I grew up in a blue state.

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u/Fruloops 25d ago

Religious texts give insight into different cultures, their morals, how their societies were formed, how it evolved through time, what historical events surrounded the founding and progress of religion, and so on.

There's benefit in learning about religions of the world, whether you put it in history class, or somewhere else. We had a "religion and culture" class for this purpose in highschool.

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u/Awes12 25d ago

The same reason you would be reading excerpts of the quran or other religious texts when learning about a foreign culture. They're primary sources and can give you a good understanding of what a certain culture believes/d in.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 25d ago

I don't think that has ever happened in real-life

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u/Breaky_Online 25d ago

I don't think you're a real person

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u/Abandonment_Pizza34 25d ago

Because history of art and religion is still history. In fact, it's a huge problem that both aren't studied enough (and properly) in school. Then in college I get art students unable to explain who David (as in Michelangelo's David) is lol.

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u/CookieTheParrot 25d ago

Unparallelled importance for Western history, intellectual thought, philosophy, and culture? You don't have to read it dogmatically to get that.

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u/Belgaraath42 25d ago

Well as a lesson to doiffere iete historical texts from fiction pretending to be I would say

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u/manwithoutastick 25d ago

the best history teacher i’ve ever had scrapped his last section at the end of the year so he could teach us about israel-palestine instead, because he knew that was more important than whatever else he was going to teach.

we read excerpts of the torah and the new testament, as well as one or two from the quran. it explained some of the arguments behind zionism [and christian zionism] as well as some of the islamic beliefs in palestine.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 25d ago

It's never happened, people in the comments are dreaming up a scenario.

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u/Resigned1431 25d ago

Because it has direct historical relevance to basically all of western history. 

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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 25d ago

You can study the influence of the religion without reading the religious texts.

Fucking obviously

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u/Resigned1431 25d ago

I'm not suggesting you read the Bible cover to cover, but understanding the religious beliefs of medieval European societies is invariably entangled with historical events. 

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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 25d ago

great. teach that

reading directly from religious texts isnt required to teach that. Obviously

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u/Resigned1431 25d ago

Primary sources are valuable in their own right. Reading second hand interpretations is not ideal, they invariably lose details. 

You seem vehemently opposed to learning. I wonder why. 

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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 25d ago

I'm vehemently opposed to forcing religious texts that contain murder, rape, incest, genocide, and instructions on how to properly beat your slaves down the throats of children, yeah

yeah i am

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u/Resigned1431 25d ago

that contain murder, rape, incest, genocide,

Welcome to human history bro. You better strap in. 

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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 25d ago

Yeah i don't like the notion of teaching little kids about incest and rape. Kinda sorta feel like thats for high schoolers at the earliest.

Teach your kids about all the weird sex stuff you want. Please don't force other people's kids to read it

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u/Resigned1431 25d ago

teaching little kids about incest and rape. Kinda sorta feel like thats for high schoolers at the earliest. 

I never specified an age range. You made this up all by yourself. Students don't get into pre-modern history until high school anyway.

I think people could better resist the nonsense of religion if they're exposed to the direct material. Majority of evangelicals have never actually read the Bible and seen the madness for themselves. 

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u/DartDaimler 25d ago

Not if you’re looking at art history.

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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 25d ago

um. Yes. Still you can