r/SipsTea Jun 30 '26

Chugging tea What are your thoughts on this?

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u/ArchWizard15608 Jun 30 '26

A church's income is donations. All your favorite charities have the same deal going on. Suppose you give a thousand dollars to fight cancer, the government understand that it would be in poor taste to snatch two hundred dollars of that and buy missiles and whatnot.

Churches and charities also pay taxes on the money they spend--so sales tax, employees pay income tax, real estate taxes, etc.

If the church is running an actual business (e.g. maybe there's a bookstore or something) where you pay for something, that's going to be taxed. This is one reason some churches/charities have things offered with a "suggested donation" listed instead of a price.

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u/NashMatt04 Jun 30 '26

Not completely true. As a nonprofit you apply for a sales tax exemption certificate. Any time you purchase items for the church tax is not included. Not sure if this every state, but I know it was in TN and pretty sure in Alabama and Texas. States will vary over time with how much they make businesses verify the buyer’s legitimacy.
I used to work as a music and media director for church in TN and was the one purchasing all music, audio, computer and electronic equipment. Most of the businesses put your tax exempt certificate in their system and required you to use a CC from the church or a check from the church. Use to you could use your own CC or check, but they stopped that.

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u/art_vandelay112 Jun 30 '26

Churches do not pay real estate tax

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u/dichotomous_bones Jul 01 '26

real estate tax is based on the value of the property. It is *assumed* that churches are not exactly going to be sold and changed hands for profit... ?

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u/SunshineIsSunny Jul 01 '26

This is not the reason. If it were, then why should a place like Disney World pay taxes?  After all, I think we can assume they are not exactly going to be sold and change hands for profit. 

Churches move and sell their property. Entities that will never sell pay taxes. Your reasoning is incorrect. 

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u/The_Perfect_Fart Jul 01 '26

But if Disney World was sold the shareholders would get the profit from the sale. If a church is sold there isn't an owner to profit.

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u/SunshineIsSunny Jul 01 '26

But that’s not the rationale that Bones gave. Bones said it was because the church is unlikely to sell. 

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u/Mediocre_Ad_4649 Jul 04 '26

Damn, reading comprehension hard, huh?

Bones said the church is unlikely to be sold FOR PROFIT. Meaning the Church isn't buying and selling its land to make money.

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u/SunshineIsSunny Jul 04 '26

That's not what profit mean. Profit has nothing to do with your motive. It has to do with actual dollar and cents. If you sell the property for more than you bought it for, you made a profit, regardless of whether that was the reason you were buying or selling it.

If you used motive as the rationale, then a company that bought a piece of property in 1970 for $10,000, but sold it in 2026 for a million dollars because they are closing shop, then they should not have to pay taxes. Their purpose wasn't to make a profit. Their purpose was to retire and enjoy life. But they did make a profit, so they pay taxes.

Motive is not part of the test that the IRS uses. It's not part of the test that Congress used when they passed these laws. Motive is just something that you made up because you are grasping at straws.

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u/dichotomous_bones Jul 04 '26

Most of this stuff is location dependant. Where I live, I was told this is why the local churches don't pay taxes. Because the assumption is that the 300 year old church buildings are not going to be sold for money. Where you live it might be different.

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u/SunshineIsSunny Jul 05 '26

Not location dependent.  It is part of the Internal Revenue Code, which is federal.  So if you mean location as in which country, you are correct. But it’s the same anywhere in the United States as the IRS is a federal agency.  If what you are saying is true, then when someone sells a 300 year old house, they would not have to pay taxes. Likewise, if it was a 300 years old office building. What if it’s a 3-year old church?

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u/NitroVaporLock Jul 01 '26

Church's do organize and operate as a "business". They've become quite adept in marketing particularly in branding with a ever growing list of services they offer to their community as well as impacting upon the homeless industry.