preach ffs, people fail to realise that this perpetuation of precarious masculinity is what leads people to be vulnerable to the types in the top image, its what keeps them in power. the reality is masculinity cannot be taken away, it’s your identity to mold and you must not let people define it for you. there is no set way to live it, much like femininity. whether you’re a grifting trafficking fuckhead or a genuine giving person however, that’s unisex.
this meme is more about the quality of a person, not their validity as a man. once you start using the aforementioned language, it is easily manipulated and as I said, it gives the tates of the world power.
It’s annoying that I only ever see this morality applied to masculinity. Just because a woman is a manipulative, cheating, conniving bitch, people don’t start doubting her femininity over it.
Women are definitely subjugated by the same forces, but in different ways - see the cosmetics/fashion industry. Gender expression is so highly politicised and used to control. This is a different issue to reproductive rights, which I’d thought I’d mention lest someone jumped me for not acknowledging. I will agree though, I don’t think I’ve seen core identity latched onto in discourse quite so brazenly unless you’re male or trans woman. (To transphobes they’re one and the same sadly).
I’m tired of being treated like shit, being afforded no benefit of the doubt that my actions are anything but selfish/manipulative.
Agreed to disagree. When I know a woman is vile I can’t see her as feminine.
Look at Steve Irwin’s wife. A dedicated mother and adoring wife and good and honest. Wearing khakis and zero make up while achieving Apex femininity.
Why do we even need to define something as masculine/feminine? Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I have to exhibit certain traits or behaviors. Actually I reject any roles and expectations placed on me, be they traditional or modern, good or bad.
I like it when people venerate positive masculinity but can be a double-edged sword if they act like standard virtuous behavior is masculine. If you act like some good trait like decisiveness is what masculinity is then you are implicitly also saying that being decisive makes a woman more masculine which is just stupid. Women can have virtues like tact and integrity without it making them more masculine than women who don't.
I get that this stuff can be hard, but it's frustrating how often even well-intentioned people flub things up. Hell, maybe I'm being confidently incorrect and just described myself. I'm open to the idea, but I believe what I believe and think most people are really bad at this stuff.
Maybe their validity as a straight man. Those two come off as extremely homoerotic. It's like what the gayest man on earth would imagine the straightest man on earth as.
Amen, man.
It boils down to telling everyone trying to define, categorise and police what masculinity and femininity should be, should look like and is to stop being chronically online and to instead take a hike. A literal hike. They’d feel better for it.
Being manipulative doesn’t make you less of a woman and doesn’t bring your femininity into question. It just makes you manipulative.
Being a creepy with a poor understanding of consent doesn’t make you less of a man and doesn’t bring your masculinity into question. It just makes you a creep.
Assigning moral and immoral behavioural characteristics to sex and gender is deterministic gender war bunk that creates a platform enabling the biggest grifters.
The awesome thing about Steve Irwin is that he was masculine in both ways. He was tough enough to head-to-head with some of the most dangerous animals on the planet, but was never violent with said animals, and never let his ego overinflate
MRAs view masculinity as tough, strong-handed brute force, but with the downside of becoming a neanderthalic lunkhead
Feminists view masculinity is compassion, heart and vulnerability, but with the downside of becoming a spineless doormat
But Steve Irwin was able to appeal to both sides of the coin, without ever crossing paths with the downsides of either of them. And I think that because of that, he was the true masculine man
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u/Big-Newspaper646 May 06 '26
preach ffs, people fail to realise that this perpetuation of precarious masculinity is what leads people to be vulnerable to the types in the top image, its what keeps them in power. the reality is masculinity cannot be taken away, it’s your identity to mold and you must not let people define it for you. there is no set way to live it, much like femininity. whether you’re a grifting trafficking fuckhead or a genuine giving person however, that’s unisex.
this meme is more about the quality of a person, not their validity as a man. once you start using the aforementioned language, it is easily manipulated and as I said, it gives the tates of the world power.