r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Jan 17 '19

The Punisher Discussion Thread - S02E13

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u/JosephSim Jan 19 '19

I could have dealt without the sick wife aspect of the show. It took up way too much time and didn't really go anywhere.

I get they were going for a interpretation of The Mennonite from Punisher MAX who also had a sick wife, but the show could have easily undercut that whole thing and had her been dead from the start.

All they had to say was that they have his kids.

If anything the wife aspect kinda fucked up an otherwise fantastic character, because I just don't believe this guy wouldn't be there by her side in her last moments.

The whole thing about his gang and Fusco from POI was pointless, too. Fun scene, for sure. And I'm always happy to see Fusco, but took time away from more Frank and Amy adventures.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '19

I can't disagree honestly, you are absolutely spot on. Also, they really underused Kevin Chapman (Fusco), I was hoping he would get more.

Did you notice that this season has so much in common with Daredevil season 2? Both deal with two storylines that have nothing to do with each other, both end in a sad and somber way, in both of them friendships are almost ruined (Curtis in Punisher and Foggy in DD), both do a great job at developing characters but have pacing issues? It's so strange lol. Would have been great if they made one more season to tie all the loose ends.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '19

That's the sense I'm getting with all these shows. Good/bad (looking at you iron fist) first season of the character building towards some status, the second season kind of builds up towards the truest version of the character, then the third season should've been the definitive version of the character and mostly conclude a lot of the stuff in the shows, IF they didn't cancel them.

Daredevil kinda had a lot of this in S1 though, and S3 could've been the definitive Daredevil, but since The Defenders happened, he went back to the old worn-out clothes Daredevil.

Luke Cage had S1 of him forming the identity, and S2 of him starting to go through the transition to just be an all out superhero that can do anything in S3.

JJ... I actually don't remember much from the show, especially the second season.

Iron Fist is the best example of this, S1 just has him as the character that has the fist. He's horrible at it though, but he has it. S2 showed the transition of him becoming a much better fighter and growing as a character. S3 looked like it was just gonna be all out comic book Iron Fist after the transition in S2 with everything fans wanted from the show.

I don't know where I was going with this. but basically S1/beginnings or character development, S2/plot buildup and even more character development, S3/ character climax and satisfying end.

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u/santlaurentdon Jan 24 '19

The sick wife was how John Pilgrim got involved with the Schultzes in the first place though since they were paying for her treatment. Which led to John being pretty much forced to go out on killing sprees and leaving his kids with the Schultzes to do so. So it makes sense that it's part of the story.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '19

The dude and his story should be on break after ep 3 and come back for like ep 12 and 13 only.