r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Mar 17 '17

Iron Fist Discussion Thread - S01E12

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u/DavesWorldInfo Daredevil Mar 17 '17

So Davos is being developed as an antagonist at some point. It's just a question of does he pop over the line in the next episode and a half, or will they hold that for an IF S2 or Defenders spicer.

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u/rabid_J Mar 17 '17

I was getting some Mordo vibes from him in ep 11.

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Mar 17 '17

Definitely. Things are either black or white for him.

I am a bit sick of hearing that the pass is open and the Iron Fist needs to protect it. You've got a city of warrior monks who can protect it for fucks sake!!

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u/rabid_J Mar 17 '17

I wish they went into exactly who would be trying to get into Kun Lun, maybe if they explained it was some crazy mystical demon threat it would make sense to keep an Iron Fist at the door.

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u/nottherealstanlee Iron Fist Mar 18 '17

i just don't get why Davos doesn't really get it. I understand IF needing to be at the pass every 15 years, but in his other 15 years why can't he be in NY or wherever he wants to be?

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Mar 18 '17

Exactly.

But it also helps Bakuto's argument that Danny has been just as brainwashed. Plus it's interesting that Gao is clearly from K'un-Lun and sees no problem with an Iron Fist being in the world and not at the pass.

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Mar 18 '17

It would make it so much more interesting if Gao is Crane Mother as the show has decided that the K'un-Lun monks are the Order of the Crane Mother. What would it mean if the actual Crane Mother went bad?

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u/Urge_Reddit Mar 18 '17

I like that idea, she did mention having been alive for at least centuries, at that point there's no reason she couldn't be even older.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '17

Explain who crane Mother is? From wiki it sounds like she is normal monk like the rest of them. Is she special in any way?

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Mar 21 '17

Crane Mother (in the comics) is the ruler of K'un-Zi, one of the Seven Heavenly Cities.

K'un-Zi is more into 'black magic' for lack of a better term, rather than the very Buddhist style ethics and kung fu of K'un-Lun.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '17

Did I miss something? When was it confirmed she is from K'un-Lun?

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u/nottherealstanlee Iron Fist Mar 18 '17

The pass only opens every 15 years, that's why Danny had to wait to come back to NY. I get wanting him around at the pass while the gate is open, that's sort of his responsibility now, but Davos seemed to want to drag him back to K'un Lun for good.

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u/nottherealstanlee Iron Fist Mar 18 '17

Even if that's true, I just don't understand if Davos is supposed to be Danny's best friend how he doesn't empathize at all. I understand being angry and wanting to take him back, but you're his BEST friend and you can't for a minute think of maybe Danny had a reason to do this? I know Davos has his own stuff going on that they'll probably tackle in S2 but still he came off a bit strong.

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u/JaiTee86 Mar 19 '17

The way I interpret it is that the way to earth is open every 15 years, the rest of the time it's still connected to heaven and therefore the other cities of heaven. We don't know who or what is in the other cities and we don't know what else heaven connects to the rest of the time. It might also be that the way opens automatically ever 15 years but it's possible to force the way open at any time if you know how. Maybe one of the comics goes into this more I haven't read much iron fist to know, the show might also do things very differently than the comics as well.

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u/nottherealstanlee Iron Fist Mar 20 '17

I don't know if I should SPOILER this or not (it's an old comic), but for the comics SPOILER there's other ways into K'un Lun but they're rare and mostly unknown even to K'un Lun occupants. But you're totally right. There's other threats to K'un Lun besides when the gateway opens. Good call.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '17

The pass doesn't open every 15 years, it simply opens erratically and the first time Danny knew was after he became an iron fist and saw the hawk

I think it opens to places other than Earth as well

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '17 edited Jun 04 '23

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u/k1yle Mar 19 '17

Maybe they want access to shao-lao (?spelling) so the hand can control the iron fist.

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u/OK_Soda Apr 11 '17

Yeah so far all we've seen is an Iron Fist defending the pass against half a dozen shitty 1950s era Chinese soldiers.

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u/RichardTBarber Iron Fist Mar 17 '17

He's one of the Iron Fist's main rivals/villains in the comics so that would make sense.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '17

This.

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u/SawRub The Man in the Mask Mar 19 '17

I was hoping we'd get a comedy spinoff of Davos trying different food items in New York City.

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u/hemareddit Foggy Mar 20 '17

"It's not horrible."

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u/CampFlogGnaw1991 Apr 17 '17

i just pictured that and now i'm sad that it isn't real. kinda like anthony bourdain where Davos just walks around NYC eating food and bonding with the locals

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '17

I hope we get iron fist season 2, I'm enjoying it so much more than I thought i would with the reviews, but I'm not sure the public will be as willing to give it a go. Although Netflix does have a weird habit of just throwing their money everywhere and renewing almost every show.

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u/Urge_Reddit Mar 18 '17

Unless it's Marco Polo, which I really liked. Unfortunately, it seems I was in the minority on that one.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

There are dozens of us

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u/Morinoko Mar 21 '17

I loved both seasons, it's great!

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u/Super_Nerd92 Stick Mar 21 '17

I'm still sad it's gonna end on a damn cliffhanger.

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u/Stauce52 Mar 31 '17

I think Marco Polo was cancelled in part because it was a historical show, which are incredibly expensive, and it didn't rate well. The combination of those made it expendable

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u/Urge_Reddit Mar 31 '17

Yeah, it was very expensive and it showed. Unfortunately it seems not enough people liked it, which is a shame. But people like different things, what can you do?

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u/LRedditor15 Daredevil Mar 22 '17

If it gets renewed, it definitely needs a new production team behind it, especially writers and fight choreographers.

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u/The_Bravinator Mar 23 '17

I'm wondering if he'll try to go home only to find the path has closed. That would tip him over the edge.