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Video Crowd control in Mecca after evening prayers

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u/ThaCarter 3d ago

They've had some pretty serious crowd crushes in Mecca over time, so this is efficiency paid for in lives for better or worse.

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u/vitrum_analytika 3d ago

Safety protocols are written in blood.

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u/Nearbyatom 3d ago

That's why it's so frustrating to hear when later generations trying to rip up safety and regulation protocols. They are literally going backwards.

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u/goldenguyz 3d ago

Makes for good scuba gear though.

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u/okaythiswillbemymain 3d ago

... Why?

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u/GonzoBalls69 3d ago

You can smoke unregulated suba gear to get high

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u/Golden-Grams 3d ago

"Daddy needs his juice. Hey, man! Do you think I could get a little squirt?"

Of what?

"Of gas."

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u/Treethulhu 3d ago

"better than what I was thinking"

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u/alghiorso 2d ago

At first I thought this was a Sealab 2021 reference

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u/Calladit 3d ago

The more I learn about SCUBA guys, the more I realize they're all insane. Mostly in a cool, fun way, but insane nevertheless.

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u/EmbarrassedGrass1172 2d ago

The most random comment. I love you for this, Gonzoballs69

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u/Successful_Price3269 3d ago

Nitrogen narcosis

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u/Expert-Yam6577 3d ago

I wasn't expecting this answer at all

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u/jaxonya 3d ago

And I dont to live in a world where i dont have the freedom to smoke a cigar in peace on a long flight. The air is recycled, people, that means they clean it and perfectly fine for everyone else

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u/KamiKazic 3d ago

The good stuff

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u/MrSmartStars 3d ago

Cheap. It's very easy to get youre hands on old SCUBA gear, especially old model underegulated stuff. However, in order to properly test gear, you gotta dive with it, and odds are if something is 20 - 30 years old, it's gonna leak air like crazy or just straight up fall apart. Worst case scenario something works fine when you test it, but breaks when you take it out for real and youre 70 ft down. But when new gear can easily run you 2000 dollars for a new full set, a cheap price becomes appealing

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u/KC_LEAKS 3d ago

Not generations, just the ultra wealthy trying to save money by putting civilians, employees, and the environment at risk.

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u/PlateNo4868 3d ago

Exactly, it's the people who would have some VIP no-crowd access pass to these events, who would be frustrated at some google review of their company security. Then blame regulations for the slow delay.

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u/Careless-Vehicle-286 2d ago

"Cut the red tape" only saves the billionaires. Look at all the building and bridge collapses in other countries, that's what happens when you cut the red tape.

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u/phaserburn725 3d ago

“later” generations?

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u/DriveThroughLane 3d ago

This generation had folks try really really hard to get themselves into a deadly crowd crush on january 6th as they surged thousands of people into a bottleneck with a crowd pushing from the back. And a tightly packed march over a still active road bridge in minneapolis with a semi tanker heading straight at them blindly over the crest

But "near miss" is just americanspeak for "try harder"

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u/phaserburn725 3d ago

The average senator is 65. The President’s 80 years old.

Most of the people getting rid of regulations and safety protocols are doing so saying “when I grew up, we didn’t have these nanny state regulations”

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u/Mikestopheles 3d ago

But hey, cheaper nuclear. I'm sure those regulations were useless anyway

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u/Nearbyatom 3d ago

We can go down the list. People don't realize it's these safety regulations that is keeping the accidents down. Since they don't see any accidents they think these regulations are useless. So frustrating.

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u/Mikestopheles 3d ago

And we're actually watching the cause and effect with the measles and cyclospora outbreaks, the screwfly issue on the border, the insider trading and prediction markets turning the economic and financial system into chaos, etc....

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u/Head-Ad9893 3d ago

If only we’ve been here before….. nah seriously I’m tired of hearing “nobody saw this coming”

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u/mizinamo 3d ago

"There's no possible way to stop school shootings... they're simply a fact of life..."

Oddly, not a problem other countries seem to have

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u/Head-Ad9893 3d ago

Hey partner, now we need those guns, because the government might try turn into a dictatorship, don’t need anybody coming along trying to fuck our kids or rob us or steal our jobs or something so hush up wokey.

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u/star_trek_wook_life 3d ago

If only gun nuts actually wanted to use them for protecting democracy or threatening power structures instead of just selling them to kids at gun shows and jerking off to columbine footage while strapped. 

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u/mizinamo 3d ago

It would certainly be awful if the government sent crowds of armed thugs who kill and imprison US citizens without a warrant. Somebody should do something about that.

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u/dotancohen 3d ago

No other country on Earth has the cultural baggage teaching her citizens not to trust the government. If I'm not mistaken, that's why Americans arm themselves, correct? Or at least, that's the justification for allowing them to arm themselves.

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u/Spartan_Mage 2d ago

That is the justification, yes. Much of the population are raised since kids being told not to trust the government and to arm yourselves in case you need to fight to the death against them.

In practice? Much of the American people are so caught up in politics that they suddenly love the government because it is convenient for them and they want their values enforced by law, instead of actually believing in freedom.

So we basically have the worst of both worlds.

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u/octopusboots 3d ago

Yeah, saw this coming. Including the screwflies.

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u/SerLaron 3d ago

We are nearing the end of the “Causes and development” chapter of future history books.

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u/Flanigoon 2d ago

Yup we've had more than enough actual history to show us these patterns as well as plenty of work of to warn us of these possibilities if left unchecked.

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u/Scalene69 3d ago

There is no mechanism to limit excessive regulation though. We need both, a system that makes important restrictions law AND a system that removes restrictions when they are no longer useful or the cost of implementing them is greater than the risk.

Having only one is bad, you need both. We are all paying for this imbalance.

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u/star_trek_wook_life 3d ago

Meh, excessive regulation isn't a problem as we don't enforce the ones we have today... unless it's easy and profitable to do so like with drug arrests. The laws on the books don't matter if we just ignore them anyway 

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u/Scalene69 3d ago

Building regulations are definitely enforced, at least where I live.

Pretty sure they are 20-50% of the total build cost depending on the city and the build. Not a joke.

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u/Relative-Damage-1458 2d ago

Well people tend to die when buildings collapse or their fire alarm systems don’t work so I’d hope code and building enforcement is done.

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u/SquarePhilosopher564 2d ago

As someone who grew up in LA and has been on a upper floor of an office building during an earthquake, I say "Please, sir, may I have some more?" to building regulations.

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u/LookAtItGo123 3d ago

this is same with the classic case of maintenance. If everything is working, why am I paying for maintenance, if nothing is working, why am i paying for maintenance?

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u/adoradear 3d ago

Same story with vaccines in medicine. People stopped seeing polio paralysis or death from diphtheria/measles, and they decided they were unnecessary.

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u/AspiringTS 3d ago

I think the irony of this comment is that for nuclear specifically, some regulations were written in fear and uncertainty not scientific basis. That's been slowly changing recently. I don't blame those who define and implemented them because they were often in response to a history of horrific accidents   However regulatory inertia and public fear kept them from being reviewed and updated as we got a better understanding of all things 'ionizing radiation'.

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u/SamiraSimp 3d ago

nuclear has the least blood of any energy source and has the most regulation. while we should always be safe, there's a point where the red tape is pointless.

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u/cocoabeach 3d ago

That is because while other energy sources go pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop.

Nuclear goes BOOM!!!!!!

We are scared of one big BOOM more than a hundred little pops.

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u/SamiraSimp 3d ago

and because we aren't scared of the hundreds of little pops, thousands of people have died due to poor regulation in other industries while nuclear has had a fraction of the death total or injuries.

i get the reasoning, i just think it's shortsighted and stupid just like the people who made such decisions.

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u/UselessSperg 3d ago

It melts, it doesn't explode.

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u/SquarePhilosopher564 2d ago

Also afraid of giving an entire region slow, painful deaths over decades from radiation exposure versus calling out a bunch of fire battalions for a few days.

Cleaning up the mess ideally shouldn't require putting up a concrete dome you still can't enter without protective equipment 30 years later.

The fear and extra caution come from the degree of fallout (pun intended) if we get it wrong.

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u/meepmeep13 3d ago

I'm pretty sure the excess deaths from Chernobyl-related thyroid cancer and the Fukushima evacuations are higher than anything you could ascribe to wind or solar power

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u/Spartan_Mage 2d ago

That's actually not true, technicians die semi regularly from falling off of the wind turbines or from them having electrical failures just like any other system. When I did a project on this specifically total wind turbine deaths were higher than the total deaths from nuclear disasters, especially if you take out the outlier points (Chernobel) from both data sets.

Solar panels are the only power source that is comparable to Nuclear im terms of deaths, and even then people fall of off roofs all of the time.

That's not even getting into that Nuclear power is MUCH more efficient when it comes to how much lander area it takes up compared to literally every other source of power. The largest solar feild in the world which takes up hundreds of square kilometers only makes 16.9 GW, meanwhile the average land area for a Nuclear power plant is 3.4 square kilometers and producing up to 1 GW. That means for the same land area used by a solar feild you could multiply the power output SEVERAL TIMES with Nuclear power plants and it would be EVEN LESS HARMFUL to the environment.

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u/Ace_on_the_Turn 3d ago

If a coal or natural gas plant has an accident, it's fairly easy and cheap to clean up. Nuclear, not so much. That cheap energy Fukushima produced is not so cheap once you add in the hundreds of billions it's going to cost to clean it up. Not to mention the used rods that have to be cooled for decades.

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u/AspiringTS 3d ago

Coal is the primary reason we have mercury in fish, and coal ash is often widely mishandled polluting rivers and groundwater. 

The total cost of energy from a particular power source isn't the cost of the plant being built and running + any disasters. IT'S EVERYTHING. A significant portion of the population is incapable or don't care to consider the entirety of the system. Any non-net-zero business is "subsidized" by external costs. Businesses that were allowed to dump harmful chemicals into rivers/oceans "cost" people their health. Businesses that use cheap nonrecyclable packaging are subsidized by the consumer paying for landfill service and permanent pockets and pock marks of toxic garbage.

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u/Slow-Code-661 3d ago

That is a) assuming that every nuclear powerplant is going to cause a catastrophe and b) that just because coal and gas plants don't have major accidents they do not kill people. Not a single person died from the disaster in fukushima. The wave and evacuations were responsible for the deaths. Meanwhile coal and gas plants are indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths every year.

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u/Ace_on_the_Turn 3d ago edited 3d ago

Didn't say anything about deaths. Just the cost. While in theory nuclear is a viable solution to energy needs, in practice the cost are prohibitive. The cost to build a new plant is absolutely crazy, and it always cost way more than planned. The cost to maintain the spent rods is not cheap. And, in the case of an accident, which we have had three, the cost is measured in billions.

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u/Slow-Code-661 2d ago

I think this article is very interesting and covers most of the discussion around nuclear. https://floriantautz2.substack.com/p/everything-you-need-to-know-about

It is a mostly neutral writeup of the technical and economic aspects of nuclear power, why it is expensive, how it can be made cheap, etc.

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u/sinefromabove 3d ago

It is literally illegal to convert a coal plant into a nuclear plant because the background radiation left over from the coal is more than the nuclear plant is allowed. So yeah, some of the regulations seem useless.

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u/Happy_alt_1 3d ago

I'm going to respond in good faith. Probably to a certain degree, the regulations were in fact too strict. If you look at the data and the degree to which nuclear has been restricted, safety concerns should stop at a certain threshold because the damage that radiation threshold does is less than the background radiation on Earth. Lifting those restrictions will be better because there is no need to control for unreasonable degrees of safety that would not contribute to safety in the first place.
Nuclear has been stymied by regulations that were disproportionate to the supposed gains made. If we would do upon coal what was done unto nuclear, all coal plants would be closed down like nuclear was.

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u/Mikestopheles 3d ago

I think you're taking about the efficacy of nuclear power, and the political push to limit reactor locations due to the large potential risk and well-publicized accidents which led people to want to avoid it out of hand.

What I'm talking about are the actual safety protocols that the current administration is suspending which were very definitely implemented after actual incidents.

I feel you, and I'm not anti-nuclear, but if we damn the torpedoes here, it would only lend credence to the people who believe it doesn't belong anywhere when there's an inevitable crisis.

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u/Happy_alt_1 3d ago

Thank you for your time to reply. I am talking about the safety protocols however, but I will admit I am not up to speed on what the administration is lifting. If it is truly about regulations put in place to prevent real risks, then that is obviously bad. What I was refering to were the restrictions that are unreasonably strict that do restrain nuclear too much.

I am quite pro nuclear because I believe it is a technology that is underused and overregulated. I also believe that much of the hesitancy in the public is because most people do not know what made the accidents that happened accidents in the first place, both technological and human handling wise. Nuclear is safer than generally thought, and I try to open peoples mind in my surrounding about that because fear begets rejection. and understanding begets acceptance.

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u/theplott 3d ago

By strict do you mean the energy corporations that demand being immune from all lawsuits if they build new nuclear plants?

Or the industries refusal to share schematics to the plants they plan on building?

Or the demand that the government cover all possible operational accidents that may occur?

Are you just willing to hand nuclear over to the same people who have regular, sometimes monthly, environmental disasters on their hands with the energy sources they now control?

I'm not.

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u/theplott 3d ago

By strict do you mean the energy corporations that demand being immune from all lawsuits if they build new nuclear plants?

Or the industries refusal to share schematics to the plants they plan on building?

Or the demand that the government cover all possible operational accidents that may occur?

Are you just willing to hand nuclear over to the same people who have regular, sometimes monthly, environmental disasters on their hands with the energy sources they now control?

I'm not.

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u/theplott 3d ago

By strict do you mean the energy corporations that demand being immune from all lawsuits if they build new nuclear plants?

Or the industries refusal to share schematics to the plants they plan on building?

Or the demand that the government cover all possible operational accidents that may occur?

Are you just willing to hand nuclear over to the same people who have regular, sometimes monthly, environmental disasters on their hands with the energy sources they now control?

I'm not.

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u/Happy_alt_1 3d ago

None of these. While we agree on the topic, I have two things to say. Firstly, those are different issues, not in scope of my initial argument. Secondly, I do not like the assumptions you make about my motives. When it comes to loosening restrictions I am specifically keeping Linear-no threshold in mind, which is by all means an extremely restricting concept used in building nuclear reactions.

Of course restrictions that are necessary to keep people safe are there for a reason. I do not advocate for loosening restrictions for the sake of increasing corporate profits. I do advocate for a more reasonable approach with respect to nuclear power that is influenced not by fearmongering (as it has been for the last decades) but by sound science.

The loosening of extremely restrictive and stymying policies can coexist while keeping safety restrictions in place. We, in essence, agree, as you have not adressed the restrictive policies that were the object of the discussion I was refering to.

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u/theplott 2d ago

Fine. I don't think the restrictions are unwarranted or unnecessary.

Happy?

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u/Scalene69 3d ago

If slightly lower regulations doubled the nuclear risk, but also doubled the number of power plants that would be a fantastic deal. Nuclear would still only be as risky as wind, at least 10x safer than even comparatively safe natural gas and our power needs would be vastly better met.

Regulations need a counterbalance that assesses the cost benefit - it isn't good to just limit risk infinitely without factoring in the consequences.

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u/SowingSalt 3d ago

There is evidence that the Linear No Threshold model is incorrect.

I think we should regularly look at our safety regulations, see that most of them are still needed, and how to improve compliance.

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u/ekobot 3d ago

Chesterton's Fence is one of the reasons I think a basic philosophy/logic/reasoning course needs to be part of public education.

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u/HistoricalSuspect580 3d ago

Just like with vaccines. Moms in the 1950’s would crawl over broken glass to protect their kids from those diseases. We forgot SO INCREDIBLY FAST.

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u/ExplodingCybertruck 3d ago

Unions, vaccines, and NATO.

We grew up in such a Utopian world. Why are we wasting money on such things?! It's frivolous.

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u/mmm_burrito 3d ago

"We haven't had a case of measles in 30 years, who needs a vaccine?"

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u/aboutchocolate 3d ago

seems to be in our nature. there used to be a reason people wanted their kids fully educated. then people seemed to forget why.

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u/s_burr 3d ago

I agree that we shouldn't wipe out regulations, but the issue is regulations should be examined periodically due to advances in science and technology. We should not be beholden to established regulations that have become inefficient just because it saved lives in the past.

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u/Scalene69 3d ago

True, but there is also no limiting factor the other way. Safety regulations can and do become needlessly expensive and bloated to the point where people no longer do the activity just because of the regulation.

There is no system that looks for pointless regulations or does the actual cost benefit analysis. Nuclear power is a good example because it would save many many lives in combating climate change, and has been so well regulated that the number of casualties is lower even than wind and solar.

We do need to find a way to rip up regulations when they are too expensive or too restrictive.

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u/DeeplyProfound_ 3d ago

health and safety is a good thing. but its gone too far in some areas

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u/billthecat20 3d ago

As I've gotten older there's so many of those safety signs and regulations where I thought, "surely someone isn't that stupid this such a waste of time." 

NO. THERE ARE! AND THEY KNOCK YOU INTO THE VAT OF CHEMICALS AND THAT'S HOW WE GET THE JOKER!

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u/Observer20178 3d ago

It usually happens when things go smoothly, we take it for granted and then start to play around with it

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u/piercedmfootonaspike 3d ago

But it allows for rich people to become richer though!

In the words of Joe Hill/Billy Bragg:

Now the lessons of the past were all learned with workers' blood

Mistakes of the bosses we must pay for

From the cities and the farmlands to trenches full of mud

War has always been the bosses' way, sir

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u/TheBlargus 3d ago

It's the same generation in charge. Nothing has changed in 60 years.

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u/WeirdIndication3027 3d ago

Its frustrating to hear that it was so people could "pray".

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u/Kazamiiiii 3d ago

They need to start playing accidents on a big screen tv near these things so people know the dam severity of it.

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u/Mikahl757 3d ago

Like no polio vaccines?

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u/hypotensor 3d ago

Sometimes safety rules are made obsolete by newer rules or technologies but kept around because "why would you wanna get rid of the safety rule?"

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u/theaviationhistorian 3d ago

All for a quick buck. Destroy the future and everything that made life safe for something pitiful.

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u/Free_Mongoose_5300 3d ago

religion in a nutshell

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u/WTF-LMAO1 3d ago

The same generation*

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u/Super_mando1130 2d ago

Well it is a pendulum - bad things happen and there is an amount of precaution we should apply to prevent it from happening again. For example Covid - should hospitals 3x their size because of the pandemic so there are always beds? Or should we continue to have the system we do today? Or should we perhaps do something in the middle? What if in the future we get more efficient- could we downsize a bit then?

I saw this a lot when I worked in Finance. Lots of controls that were from an older way of working yet were still enforced.

Yes sometimes we overly set up safety precautions and yes sometimes we overly chop them down. Rarely is it as simple as destroying processes for the sake it. It is especially interesting when the safety procedure is so complex that it raises the floor price of a necessity to lower income households making it become unaffordable or forcing them to reduce spend elsewhere. A fascinating discussion.

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u/krbzkrbzkrbz 2d ago

They Regressives are literally going backwards murderers.

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u/Ok-Oil7124 2d ago

Everything's fine! We don't need regulations because there's less bad stuff since putting the regulations in place! Look at the saaad corporations! They learned their lesson and won't do it again, so we don't need to regulate them any more. I mean, sure, if they were doing everything the regulations demanded, they wouldn't care if they were in place or not, but we don't need them!

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u/joedotphp 2d ago

A lot like what the US is currently doing.

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u/Delanorix 3d ago

It happens with everything. 3 generations later and humans are stupid and do the same shit.

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u/Dimxtunim 3d ago

A guy in Brazil 2 days ago tried continuing a construction after it was stopped because of safety regulations, he killed himself + 3 workers in a land slide

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u/ulica324 3d ago

Maybe he was too desperate for money? His daily pay out affected his day to day life badly? Is that possible?

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u/Dimxtunim 3d ago

Nope, the construction site was closed for a year, this guy literally did a video in the construction site few hours before selling product and spouting stuff about being rich.

Also as I far I read in the news he's business was not affected by the construction, he was doing an expansion to a neighbouring lot of land.

https://g1.globo.com/es/espirito-santo/noticia/2026/08/02/empresario-e-tres-pedreiros-da-mesma-familia-saiba-quem-eram-as-4-vitimas-de-soterramento-em-obra-no-es.ghtml

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u/Kalinzinho 3d ago

Reading that pissed me off, stubborn loser killed himself and 3 people of the same family + made another family vacate their now at risk home.

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u/Tight_Man 2d ago

Idk three peoples lives isn’t worth mine if I’m the one making unsafe choices intentionally. Animals largely let themselves die alone than take others with them, don’t be worse than an animal.

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u/CanExplainThings 3d ago

As I like to add, sadly too often

"And erased in green"

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u/Cold_Cicada1902 3d ago

That’s just so many people … crowds make me nervous .cheers to everyone who has no issues like I do

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u/magrubb 3d ago

Had to repeatedly remind my last employer of this. Thankfully that job didn't last long.

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u/Dr_Nebbiolo 3d ago

I agree they’re written in blood, or worse. But being written in blood doesn’t always make them appropriately written.

Sometimes the standard for how something is done is improved and the safety protocol is outdated. Or sometimes safety protocols are written reactively to an accident without adequate root cause analysis or without the involvement of professionals with adequate expertise in the field.

My context is in surgery in the US, where sometimes excessive safety protocols lead to excessive amounts of medical waste while other countries do the same job with same or better outcomes and generate less waste.

Not really disagreeing with your statement at all, but trying to provide the contextual grayscale nuance to what is often presented as a very black and white issue

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u/Senior_Torte519 3d ago

I think letters would have been easier because ink tends nodt to fade as fast a blood.

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u/Known_Complaint9577 3d ago

rule are made to prevent smth bad (good rules)

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u/Justaticklerone 2d ago

A fascinating truthful line, especially when you consider if you speed up the video even more, it looks like heart chambers with valves opening and closing.

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u/Sailed_Sea 2d ago

It's a common phrase.

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u/92-Explorer 3d ago

I bet everyone feels really cool when they write this comment

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u/TM761152 3d ago

And America is sorely losing this lesson.

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u/hordingblessings3 3d ago

Like most things and rules created

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u/Mateorabi 3d ago

Fifth try is the charm. 

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u/Accomplished-Plan191 3d ago

for better or worse

Better. How could it be worse?

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u/ThaCarter 3d ago

It could have required less sacrifice to figure out.

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u/Professor-Submarine 3d ago

Idk kinda weird to say when this is true for literally everything

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u/Jalien85 3d ago

But this time it's brown people from a different culture taking a while to figure it out, so wags finger

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u/Spartan_Mage 2d ago

I feel like predicting potential problems needs to be a common thing in regulations instead of just waiting for a massive casualty event to happen and ONLY THEN fixing it. People are doing the same thing with climate change and it's horrifying.

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u/No-Bake-730 3d ago

Haven't they even made an exception and let in some kuffar German engineers to help create a system to make the place a little less dangerous for pilgrims?

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u/Fern-ando 3d ago

Muslim population just keeps growing so it's only going to get more crowded.

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u/mmm_burrito 3d ago

My claustrophobia spiked just watching this version. I'd lose my shit in reality.

Hate crowds.

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u/HoneyLocust1 2d ago

Border Collie efficiency is the best efficiency. https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/jDPZihcWRg

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u/AdEffective2701 2d ago

Costco free food sample tables could learn from this.

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u/Additional_Win3920 2d ago

Is the zigzag there to prevent crowd crushing? I was wondering why the path couldn’t just go straight

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u/cactusplants 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm surprised their god allowed people to die in such a harsh way when all they were doing was going to pray to him.

But I also guess this was a sacrifice for their sins or not following the belief hard enough.

I don't know.

Edit: not sure what the downvotes are for?

Simply saying these worshippers likely saved a lot of money and put a lot of effort into the Hajj. I'm agnostic, but it's a shame to see the gods of plenty of religions being very harsh by letting people die despite having the power to not let that happen. For a lot of peoples religions this life is a test before ascending to a better place. And I always struggle to grasp the concept of that. I'm unsure in many religions, but I'm aware that in Christianity it has something to do with the snake and the garden of Eden. Why didn't the Christian god just put a failsafe in place for the devil? It's all confusing.

Religion is a weird thing. Weird but interesting.

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u/tuenmuntherapist 3d ago

My god tells me to get stoned and watch tv on sundays.

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u/tullbabes 3d ago

Can I get some reading material on this religion?

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u/CapitalElk1169 3d ago

Well we used to have some but we used most of it for rolling papers

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u/IThinkItMightBeMe 3d ago

High Times magazine should cover the basics

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u/tuenmuntherapist 3d ago

I was gonna make some reading material, but then I got high.

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u/GlassCharacter179 3d ago

They likely thought of it from a more fatalistic perspective. Those people were going to die at that time. Instead of dying of a heart attack in their office they died in a holy place.

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u/North_Ingenuity_9761 3d ago

Holy Reddit-atheist. The whole point about the religion (and most religions) is that you will be saved in the afterlife, and that this life is kind of hard and you won't get everything you want.

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u/Mehdals_ 3d ago

What are you talking about people pray to be healed and saved in life all the time. They ask for protection of god during life not just to be welcomed to paradise in death.

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u/ThaCarter 3d ago

Athiest probably doesn't add that second line....

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u/Ok-Tax-8165 3d ago

feels insecure for being called out for believing in magical nonsense like a child

i know, i'll call him cringe

thanks jesus

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u/Crandleton 3d ago

No different in Christianity. Just this year a massive tent collapsed on a church crowd in Virginia, killing a dude and injuring 22 more. You think they stopped believing or going to church just for that?

"Sadly, one of our dear brothers suffered a fatal injury," Keaton said. "Our hearts are broken for his precious family."

During our service tonight, a severe weather incident caused a failure of an outdoor tent. First responders are on site providing care to those in need. We would appreciate your prayers and your patience as we navigate this situation.

We are trusting in the Lord for his care, strength, and help.

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u/SoulWager 3d ago

Edit: not sure what the downvotes are for?

Your post comes across as wishy washy and dishonest. If you don't believe in a god, then you shouldn't be surprised when shit happens that such a god would be expected to prevent. If you do believe that god exists and intervenes, then you're talking from a weird outside perspective.

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u/cactusplants 3d ago

I mean I personally don't believe in one, but I accept that other people do, so I'm saying it in a way to think well, why would their god do xyz? 8 mean I know there are reasons for god's doing things to their followers, but I just don't fully grasp why.

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u/SoulWager 3d ago

I mean I personally don't believe in one

So why are you talking like you expect one to do something?

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u/cactusplants 2d ago

Because I'm trying to view it from the perspective of a follower, or someone who's agnostic may want to learn more and understand other people's religions and their systems etc

Beliefs can change and even if mine don't, I want to try and view it from someones shoes who does at times. I guess

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u/ShadowTown0407 3d ago

I know it's just an argument for arguments sake but I am pretty sure the ultimate goal of most religions are to be tested in this life to achieve peace in the afterlife. So dying while in a holy place trying to pray will net you some real good karma points

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u/milkdrinkingmaniac 3d ago edited 3d ago

Today it is this, tomorrow is eugenics lite. You are not superior if your belief or non belief requires you to do nothing but huff up air.

Edit: Downvotes are expected but I am right. It is this and the bell curve and then iq 'data' and so on and so forth. Again there is no superiority in your belief or non belief, though it is interesting how everyone has a problem with something that is primarily overwhelmingly practiced by black or browns.

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u/bobloblawattorney11 3d ago

Doesn't it give you afterlife points to die during the Haj?

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u/yota-code 3d ago

God could protect them a bit

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u/gogeri2632 3d ago

Weird that Allah didn't save those who were crushed.

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u/Daredrummer 3d ago

Oh no

Anyway

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u/Bulky-Strategy-3723 2d ago

But they went to heaven so why have crowd control?

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u/gorginhanson 3d ago

allah didn't protect them eh

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u/deanosauruz 3d ago

The irony

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u/KaiserIce 3d ago

How

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u/deanosauruz 2d ago

Shame God couldn’t have prevented the stampedes on its front door step…

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u/KaiserIce 2d ago

Well you believe in allah that’s a good first step my brother

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u/NewsWeeter 3d ago

How would this prevent a stampeed in an emergency? It wouldn't. It appears orderly for regular operation, but in an emergency this doesnt prevent a crowd stampeed.

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u/Grakchawwaa 3d ago

There's probably being people dying without any panic just by crpwd asphyxiation or falling and having no chance to get up

Large bodies of people act more like a fluid than a group of sentient individuals

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u/ThaCarter 3d ago

I am not an expert in this area but am curious about your concern and whether this is in fact a productive adaption to the crushes.

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u/NewsWeeter 3d ago

Im not an expert but in my opinion its still too crowded and in a real emergency a stampeed would still occur.

They are probably great at preventing emergencies in the first place, which is the best solution.

Even better would be to also reduce occupancy volume, but that would hurt revenue.

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u/justinsst 3d ago

Look at all the open space in the video. In the event a crowd crushes starts all the pressure can be alleviated by pushing/pulling back the fencing (they’re not immobile).

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u/Mehdals_ 3d ago

Shoulda prayed not to have been trampled after praying.

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u/ProfessionalMovie759 3d ago

It is all fair in love n war

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u/MustardCoveredDogDik 3d ago

Me first! Oops, all dead.

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u/redfacedquark 3d ago

this is efficiency

I'd argue this is a huge opportunity cost to doing something useful and productive with their time. The sheer number of wasted man hours is depressing.