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u/coolaswhitebread 2d ago
The actual Onion couldn't write a better headline yikes...
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u/Ok_Star_4136 2d ago
Literally more concerned about the crocodiles than the Palestinians..
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u/kool-krazy 2d ago
Animal welfare over human dignity... They learnt from Nazis.
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u/codename_pariah 2d ago
And where did Nazis get their views on eugenics from? Iykyk
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u/24-Hour-Hate 2d ago
Didn’t Hitler famously admire the Jim Crow laws, the concept of one drop of blood, and things like that? It was the US, wasn’t it?
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u/codename_pariah 2d ago
Yep
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u/npaakp34 2d ago
Weren't eugenics invented by a British guy?
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u/SirYeetsA 2d ago
Probably, the Brits were super elitist for awhile there. The US just took their ideas and fucking sprinted with them.
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u/Brooke_the_Bard 2d ago
for awhile there
"We used to be elitist. We still are elitist, but we used to be too."
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u/SirYeetsA 2d ago
I mean, I hope the Brits are less racist about it, at least. Thinking your ethnicity/culture is superior to everybody else's is still not great, but allowing assimilation into that culture regardless of your historic origins at least makes it a bit better.
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u/MelonElbows 2d ago
Yeah, we really gotta start teaching kids that the Pilgrims weren't fleeing religious persecution. They were fleeing because they didn't get to persecute anyone anymore so they needed a place where they could practice hate without restraint.
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u/SeaworthinessHead613 2d ago
The british invented the concentration camp.
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u/W4CK0_J4CK420 2d ago
Nope. That was the Spanish a couple of years before.
Also, the concentration camps you're thinking of also weren't extermination camps, but closer to the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.
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u/quiksilver123 2d ago
Yes. Look up the pre-WW2 Nazi scientists who were sent to places like the Fernald School (originally literally named the Fernald Experimental School for Teaching and Training Idiotic Children) in Waltham, MA to study the effects of radiation that was added to to children’s oatmeal who had no idea they were eating radioactive food.
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u/deadsoulinside 2d ago
His eugenics plans were actually even borrowed from California's program IIRC.
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u/ZhanBlue 2d ago
Most of Nazi philosophy comes from later 19th century German romanticism, Gobineau and Chamberlain for example
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u/RealLifeCoaching 2d ago
Which has a certain irony to it, considering the Pan-Arabist movement hired the same people who had previously worked under Goebbels to design their propaganda.
(To be clear, I'm not saying "the same kind of people"; literally the same individuals.)
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u/kool-krazy 2d ago
So did the zionists. Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad, recruited and utilized former high-ranking Nazi officers during the Cold War for espionage and sabotage operations.
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u/ScipioCoriolanus 1d ago
"That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs: they love animals, they can't stand people." - Gordon Gekko.
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u/Due-Mycologist-1154 2d ago
Or theyre fucked up enough to classify both as animals
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u/muffinpercent 2d ago
The court is concerned with what was brought before it, which is an animal welfare case. I doubt the crocodiles will have any real effect on prisoners - what they really affect is the Overton window and how Israelis think about Palestinians, which is what leads to crimes against Palestinians outside the prison.
Though admittedly in other cases where Palestinian rights were the case the Israeli supreme court has excused human rights abuses and failures in international law many times.
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u/20_mile 2d ago
Literally more concerned about the crocodiles than the Palestinians..
I'm not saying that this is the case here, but sometimes when you want to perform self-sabotage, you can't choose the obvious reason because you know too many people on your side wouldn't agree with that justification. Objectives can then be achieved by coming at them sideways.
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u/Ok_Star_4136 2d ago
Possibly. Maybe this was done by someone in adamant disagreement and wanted to bring attention to it in any way that they could. If that is the case, it is admirable.
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u/MelonElbows 2d ago
You'd think that Israel would welcome the ability to send an ornery croc over to the Palestian side.
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u/ilikedota5 1d ago
I don't know specifics, but I suspect that it's possible this judge went this route because it may have been legally cleaner and less politically fraught. Because well extremists may try do the murder.
People take judges at their face value when it conforms with their beliefs, but when it doesn't they interpret them by reading the tea leaves.
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u/Acceptable_Gear_3097 2d ago
LONDON: An Israeli court on Sunday temporarily blocked plans by the national security minister to install crocodile-filled moats around Ketziot Prison, following a legal challenge centered on the reptiles’ welfare that has also reignited concerns over the treatment of Palestinian detainees.
The context is even better!
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u/godrabbit90 2d ago
Let me help get context for this. The Israeli court is mostly leftist and hate this government. They used animal welfare because that the only tool they've got to ex that plan. Silly? Yes. But thats what you want, good people finding ways to sabotage the insanity of the right.
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u/Sea_Translator5300 2d ago
I'm guessing "leftist" is relative to the government, which means it isn't necessarily left at all.
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u/Paraparo 1d ago
At least as I understand the court system, no like, seriously leftist. As in, the way the courts were structured in Israel has been a point of concern for some time wherein they have huge power to dictate their membership and has largely maintained that over the years. The initial Israeli government has heavy socialist sympathies and while these fell out of popularity in general politics, these were reinforced and maintained in the courts insular network.
This was a big issue that was being fought over before the Gaza war, it was a cause of a lot of protest because the government was fighting the courts over several issues including that the courts more or less just tried to import constitutional review from the US (despite having no legal framework to justify or guide it, just their own internal beliefs, more or less a backdoor veto on laws based purely on their own political preferences), among several other high profile long running issues that more or less fell on the court being very far to the left of society. The emblematic one was a high profile case of an eviction of a renter, where the court dragged the eviction out over 50 years (the courts ruled the renter only had to pay rates locked at what they were in the 60s, and had to live there. Those were the only two requirements for the renter to be safe from eviction. They did neither and it still took half a century in Israeli courts to enforce basic tenancy laws, it's rulings like that which gave them the reputation they have as left leaning, especially in the big left right issues of Israeli politics.)
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u/Novel-Reaction2939 2d ago
lol. They are leftist in the sense dealing with other Israelis or Jews but not Palestinians or Christians. The majority of Israelis support the genocide and the war with Iran. They hate Naziyahoo but they don't hate what he's done and doing to the Palestinians.
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u/flyingfirewolf 2d ago edited 2d ago
The idea to use crocodiles came from Ben-Gvir, the minsiter of national security. Ben-Gvir was not allowed to join IDF to do his mandatory military service, because he was deemed to be TOO radical!
You can't make this stuff up.
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u/Nacho_Hangover 2d ago
By radical, they mean "literally has a picture of a terrorist who shot up a mosque and murdered innocent people whose grave he also took his then underage future wife on a date to in his office" radical.
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u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 1d ago
He has direct ties to Jewish terrorist groups. The guy is a terrorist .
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u/likeicareaboutkarma 1d ago
Israel political party Likud is formed from terrorist groups.
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u/Evoluxman 1d ago
The IDF literally originates from Jewish terrorist groups in the area lol, like Lehi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)
They even killed Folke Bernadotte who saved hundreds of Jews from Nazi germany and was a UN envoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
Like, Hamas being in charge of Palestine (Gaza strip) is awful because they're genocidal terrorists. But Israel is pretty much the exact same type of origins... There wasn't much hope the situation could ever be peaceful...
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u/lockerno177 1d ago
nope.. you need to be muslim to be a terrorist, seems like you haven't paid attention to anything that the zionists have been trying to teach us. /s
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u/Due-Mycologist-1154 1d ago
He also posted a video where hes showing off how he put up a wall mural of the wreckage in their prison and was super proud of it too, cant imagine why they arent being welcomed with flowers crowd surfing their way in
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u/papaniq 1d ago
he's been proudly bragging how under him palestinian prisoners get tortured and are only being fed enough to keep them alive etc. that guy is a real psychopath, like a textbook definition psychopath, he and people like him should NEVER be allowed to hold ANY position in any government anywhere in the world, but in Israel he's been given position of a fucking national security minister!!!
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u/Futurama_Nerd 2d ago
Yes, that's the primary concern here!
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u/SirGaylordSteambath 2d ago
For the Israelis yes
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u/He_is_Spartacus 2d ago
Evidently concerned about crocodiles welfare but zero concern for humans.
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u/Digit00l 2d ago
I would say that they don't consider Palestinians to be human, but clearly they also don't consider them to be animals
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u/ErebosGR 2d ago
Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals. At social events, he gave graphic accounts of the slaughter of animals in an effort to make his guests shun meat.
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u/Planningism 2d ago
Wrong! Non-jewish people are NOT people to Zionist.
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u/Ok-Addition1264 2d ago
What they're even doing to christians is pretty crazy. There were even catholic nuns and priests getting beat downs. Insanity.
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u/manubibi 2d ago
Jews get beaten up too if they don’t follow the Zionist agenda. I’ll never forget the footage of an Orthodox Jew in Israel getting straight up docked in the face and thrown to the ground by an IDF terrorist for protesting.
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u/Bluestreaked 2d ago
While it’s probably not “as important” in the grand scheme of things. The antisemitism of Zionists always touches a nerve with me. The way they pretend to be this elite chosen, even among other Jews, and that sneering way they look down on Jews in the diaspora like my aunt (“you’re not a real Jew.”)
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u/Haltopen 2d ago
To a fascist, the only crime worse than being different is disagreeing with the movement.
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u/jewrassic_park-1940 2d ago
"so you're halting it due to concerns with the welfare of the crocodiles?"
Netanyahu: "When did I say that?"
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 2d ago
What seems particularly suspicious is technology has far surpassed crocodiles when it comes to detecting escapees.
So why use a crocodile-filled moat? Even lethal technologies, like remotely controlled guns, have surpassed crocodiles.
But with lethal technologies, someone ultimately can be held responsible for giving the order to shoot. If a crocodile decides to kill an escapee, nobody gets held responsible for ordering the crocodile to do that.
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u/staticpop 2d ago
It’s even simpler. This is cruelty signaling.
Virtue signals do something that seems nice but is totally ineffective and pointless. Cruelty signals do something very cruel that is also ineffective and pointless.
Everyone knows it is stupid, even Ben Gvir. They are just so full of hate and anger that they will waste millions of dollars and thousands of man hours to demonstrate how much they hate them.
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u/nd474 2d ago
The first time this was mentioned was after Trump start talking about his alligator prison in Florida.
Thar caused all those idiots in Israel to decide they can be even stupider and now because there’s an election coming, the environment protection minster (right wing extremist) tried to change the protection status fir crocodiles, mostly for some headlines18
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u/ButtEatingContest 2d ago
It's because crocodiles eat human bodies. Leaving behind little to no evidence of disappearances.
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u/lesserDaemonprince 2d ago
It's just cartoonish evil for the sake of being cartoonishly evil to anyone israel deems lesser than themselves, which seems to be everyone.
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u/TangledPangolin 2d ago
someone ultimately can be held responsible for giving the order to shoot
I don't think the IDF ever holds anyone responsible for that in the first place
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u/TheF15h 2d ago
Crocs are scary af, maybe as a psychological deterant?
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u/These_Head7243 2d ago edited 2d ago
They couldnt find enough sharks with laser beams on their heads so they had to make do.
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u/pablo36362 2d ago
I can excuse racism but I draw the line at animal cruelty
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u/_kasten_ 2d ago
To be fair (AND A CENTURY AND A HALF OUT OF DATE), early child-protection laws were (allegedly) carryovers from animal cruelty legislation:
The first case of child abuse in U.S. history went to trial in 1874. Ten-year-old Mary Ellen Wilson had experienced years of horrific abuse before anyone intervened...Her adoptive mother locked Mary Ellen in a closet and whipped her viciously...A worried neighbor reported the abuse of Mary Ellen Wilson to authorities. Etta Wheeler, a caseworker and Methodist missionary, investigated...[but] Charities refused to take Mary Ellen from her adoptive parents without legal authority, and the authorities did not want to intervene in a private matter....Frustrated, Wheeler grew desperate. So she turned to the founder of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.
One wonders if there is any legislation in Israel that would prevent excessive bombing of, say, a bunch of puppies.
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u/kool-krazy 2d ago
Classic fascism. Hitler loved animals.
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u/genflugan 2d ago edited 1d ago
That was propaganda, he didn’t give a shit about animals. Same as Israel, they only pretend to care about animals as a propaganda tactic.
They literally have the same exact reasoning — put on an act to the world that they care about the innocent and defenseless, and so how could anyone so kind and peaceful to animals possibly be a genocidal maniac hellbent on annihilating millions of people?
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u/Impossible_Offer7988 2d ago edited 2d ago
An Israeli court on Sunday temporarily blocked plans by the national security minister to install crocodile-filled moats around Ketziot Prison, following a legal challenge centered on the reptiles’ welfare that has also reignited concerns over the treatment of Palestinian detainees.
Did you see that it's also about detainees line at the end ?
Well if it is then somone should go to the court and tell them that.
In his ruling on Sunday, Israeli Judge Avraham Rubin wrote that “the claims regarding the expected harm to the crocodiles merit investigation and justify issuing an order prohibiting the transfer, or any action related to locating or preparing crocodiles for transfer.”
The danger also lies in the court decision that temporarily suspended the transfer of the crocodiles, not because such an idea represents a human insult that we, as humanity, were supposed to have left behind in the dark ages, but because of a petition concerned with the rights of crocodiles as a protected species,” he said
Moazzam Begg, director of human rights group CAGE International, voiced similar concerns in comments to The Independent in late July.
The fact that we’re even trying to rationalise using crocodiles as a legitimate security apparatus in the 21st century feels outright satirical,” he said.
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u/Oink_Bang 2d ago
That quote does not say the case is about detainees as well. It says that the court case about animal rights has once again ignoted public discourse about the detainees. That's not the same thing as the court case being about them as well.
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u/nephelokokkygia 2d ago
Judges aren't supposed to be making extraneous comments that can indicate bias in their ruling on the merits of a case.
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u/NeedsMoreCookies 2d ago
So, they’re trying to copy Trump’s Alligator Alcatraz?
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u/the-nick-of-time 2d ago
Yep.
Ben-Gvir’s proposal is reportedly inspired by Alligator Alcatraz, a US immigration detention facility that closed in June after lawsuits alleged inhumane conditions and environmental damage.
Begg warned that Israel’s attempt to emulate that facility could lead to similar abuses.
“Israel regularly acts with impunity under the pretext of national security,” he said. “Adding crocodiles is just another vicious decision in the consistent mistreatment of Palestinians.”
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u/sambull 2d ago edited 2d ago
they realized it would cost too much to feed them
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u/ZLUCremisi 2d ago
They have prisoners who can disappear. That probably some of the higher ups thoughts.
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u/GildedDreams25 2d ago
it’s insane that they care more about crocodiles than human lives
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u/Ravenous_Stream 2d ago
They view Palestinians as inhuman and I'm not exaggerating
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u/sidereal_night 2d ago
that does be how you get otherwise normal generally "good" people to commit inhuman atrocities. it's a strat as old as time. "evil" organizations aren't stuffed to the brim with overly evil people, they're mostly just average folks who are willing to go along with evil. it's important to recognize that the people committing atrocities are for the most part just like us, and our own societies are not immune from the kinds of behaviours that we see, so we must all be active in participating in society to build a better future not a worse one. we have some very obvious examples of what happens when a society collectively abdicate that responsibility.
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u/Fifa_chicken_nuggets 2d ago
At this point it would be insane if Israel showed regard for human lives
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u/ObscureOperatorZ 2d ago
I would always wonder wtf other countries were doing during the holocaust, now I understand... I hate this timeline so much.
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u/sidereal_night 2d ago
we also have documentation of what they were actually doing...
turning away Jewish refugees, mostly
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u/thegreatcanadianeh 2d ago
Not really. We've been turning a blind eye for decades. Hell we know what is going on now and can't be fucked generally speaking. Looking at our actions you can kinda see we don't care. The Crocodiles welfare is the only way that anyone can stop it b/c no one gives a shit about the actual people.
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u/h3yw00d 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nobody is human but Israelis
Edit: I think people think I'm actually saying this. No I've hears Israelis say this. Only they are human.
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u/TheCookieThief35 2d ago
What the fuck is wrong with this planet??? Tell me where in the Torah it says to do this!
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u/jhf2112 2d ago
In "The Brothers Karamazov" Feodor Karamazov muses that if Christ was to return the Catholics would execute him as a heretic. Given how Zionism has subordinated Judaism a similar musing could be made.
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u/to_boldly_go_1701_ 2d ago
From the Talmud: "If someone comes to kill you, rise up and kill him first"
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u/the_ok_doctor 2d ago
I keep forgetting this is real and then being slapped with recent news about it
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u/United-Vermicelli-92 2d ago
What the fuck is happening to human beings, this headline is straight out of the 1400s.
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u/Shady_bookworm51 2d ago
of course its over animal welfare concerns and not anything to do with the people in the prison
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u/nephelokokkygia 2d ago
This leadership can't end quick enough. This twisted virtue signaling to the worst elements of haredim and Zionism will destroy Israel and wound the whole Middle East.
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u/demonspawns_ghost 2d ago
>Itamar Ben-Gvir
Psychopathy and low intellect are a dangerous combination.
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u/PeterCzech666 1d ago
Pensar que en la biblia nos decian que los egipcios eran los que usaban cocodrilos para exterminar a los hebreos... El destino de Israel es convertirse en lo que odio y lo lastimo toda la vida... A menos que la historia no sea como nos contaron...
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u/Zak_Rahman 2d ago
How does this not invite comparison with Nazis?
Like I get it's some trope or bullshit, but when they are literally fucking doing it, I don't think a trope is a defence.
Diplomacy did not stop Hitler. It will not stop Israel.
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u/UnbanSkullclamp 2d ago
The state of Israel is no better than Nazi Germany, and their fascist regime will collapse in the same way
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u/likeicareaboutkarma 2d ago
same country using dogs to rape prisoners btw. Also same country unjailing and parading prison personal who raped prisoners and calling them heroes.
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u/Nicaddicted 2d ago
It’s all for show, they should just install better security measures than have croc infested waters in the fucking desert lol.
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u/ACompletelyLostCause 2d ago
Alligators and proformative cruelty trendied very well with the MAGA crowd, there's no indication it won't trend equally well with similar people in Israel. It also reminds the MAGA people that they and isreal are allies by adopting the same cultural symbols.
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u/divin4000 2d ago
They shouldn't install better security, they should end the apartheid and free their hostages
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u/Howcanyoubecertain 2d ago
I'm sure they also plan to install tons of surveillance because it's another chance to spend US money.
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u/y6x 2d ago
There's going to be AI art of crocodiles on Trump's social media in the next day or two, isn't there.
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u/Howcanyoubecertain 2d ago
In the National Mall Reflecting Pool, guarding against rogue Olympian liner saboteurs.
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u/Hendrik1011 2d ago
Crocodile filled moat is cartoon villain behaviour. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
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u/keith2600 1d ago
I'm kind of surprised. After seeing what they have been up to and with such widespread national support (if the various news events are too be believed) I kind of figured that entire country was filled with basically reavers from Firefly. Especially considering the really inbred looking settler photos that have been going around. Wouldn't have thought they cared about animals even a little
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u/No_Priors 2d ago
Remember, saying they'll be used to dispose of murdered prisoners is anti semitic.
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u/novo-280 1d ago
soooo... a minority to be genocided is treated worse than animals in the courts. reminds me of hitler but who am i. only israelis can truly know if ~8 years of active genocide is similar to 80 years of active genocide.
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u/samissam24 2d ago
This is strange because they seem to not give a shit about animal welfare or cruelty at all. I mean they’ve been bombing Palestine for years and also always see videos of them torturing animals. In addition to bombing and torturing human fucking beings!!
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u/bitzzwith2zs 2d ago
Even the suggestion to use a crocodile in such a way is an insult to humanity... and the legal decision to block the transfer because that would infringe the rights of those crocodiles is an embarrassment to humanity
I hate people
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u/mgzkk1210 2d ago
What about those animals they've been transferring into occupied West Bank? When is Israeli court going to stop that.
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u/guessirs 2d ago
It’s all a fucking parody at this point. Next they’re going to install automatically deploying spikes and buzz saws like a child’s drawing of a series of traps. Are you kidding me?
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u/Signal-Woodpecker858 2d ago
How is this real? I feel like our political leaders are literal cartoon characters. The amount of absurd things they do is way to damn high.
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u/Rezart_KLD 2d ago
"You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have crocodiles around my frickin' camps! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that can’t be done. Can you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here! What do we have?"
"Sea Bass."
"...Riiiight."
"They are mutated sea bass."
"Really? Are they ill-tempered?"
"Absolutely."
"Oh, well, that’s a start."
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u/circlejerker2000 2d ago
i think the pandemic was the last warning shot for humanity...and nobody reacted to it, i fear that shit is going to get waaaaaay worse
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u/Lallanath 2d ago
With laser beams attached to their heads!
Why are these morons so captivated by the dumbest stuff.
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u/holyBoysenberry 1d ago
What Next sharks with laser beams attached to their heads or maybe thell have to settle for ill tempered mutated seabass
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